Shouldn't Europe be the one more involved in this?
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AuthorTopic: Shouldn't Europe be the one more involved in this?
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barb
3/15/2002 (19:53)
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OK. Let me get this straight. Europe mainly, in conjunction with the U.N. (and the U.S. and a few others) set up the Israeli state in 1948 for protection of the Jews after the Nazi regime was defeated. So, why is it THE U.S. that is so incredibly intimately involved with Israel when the immigrating Jews there didn't even COME from the U.S??? (I know there were Jews there from thousands of years ago, I am speaking of the ones who immigrated there). Why did we start sending Israel all this aid money in the first place? Just because they were 'a democracy??' Any book or article (preferably) recommendations appreciated. Also, if I 'became' a Jew tomorrow, would Israel grant me automatic citizenship if I wanted it?
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John Calvin
3/15/2002 (20:07)
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Let me get this straight: you don't know the first, second or third thing about Palestine and Israel but go on posting your crack-pot opinions, Time Magazine editorials and associated press articles day after day on a website call MidEastRealities, not even bothering to absorb any of the information send to you free by the publishers or given by the other participants.

Your head MUST be made of WOOD!
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barb
3/15/2002 (20:25)
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Dear Rabid John,

I posted ONE article from TIME so far. You got a problem with that? Tough shit! I want people's opinions on this board OTHER THAN YOURS. Your opinions are very tiring.
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Dawn
3/17/2002 (19:30)
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I believe Europe should be more involved in this. The US acts as Israel's broker, much like a real estate agent represents the seller, not the buyer. In this case, they want to sell an agreement for Israel to be able to circumvent UN Resolutions. Palestine needs it's own broker to represent them, like the EU. Better yet, the EU and the Middle East should just declare recognition of a Palestinian state with the same borders that were established at the time Israel became one, everything within those borders under Palestinian soveriegnty. Did Israel need an agreement with Palestinians to become a state? No, so why has anyone been under the impression all these years that Israel (brought forth through the terrorism of the Stern Gang, Irgun, etc.) must approve anything at all about it? Then Israel would no longer be in a position to make demands and deny for others the same status of nationhood that it recieved at their expense. The Right of Return could be mediated separately from that issue.
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William
3/19/2002 (24:37)
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Europe, as well as the rest of the world, hold a very different view of Israel than the US. The UK is by far the most pro-Israeli European country, but try reading the BBC and you will see an enormous difference how they portray Israel versus US media. An attack on Israeli policy in the US generates instant accusations of anti-semitism. You certainly don’t hear charges of racism when the policies of China, Sudan or Saudi Arabia are attacked. European press will report Israeli aggressions just as they will report Palestinian violence or any other violence. No free passes allowed.

Everyone reports suicide attacks, but the US media rarely reports systematic killing of Palestinian civilians, bulldozing of homes, destruction of infrastructure and blockades of towns. We call Israel a democracy, as we called South Africa and Zimbabwe democracies. Yet for 35 years, millions of people in the occupied territories have been neither allowed to vote nor have their own nation.

Most Americans support Israel, but it isn’t because of a jewish lobby. While political pressure is very strong, mainly from the media, most Americans are not jews, and even fewer of our political leaders are. We support Israel for economic and military reasons, certainly not on idealistic grounds.

First, Israel is a reliable military ally and strategically located for a rapid response into oil producing nations. The Persian Gulf is the most valuable resource on the planet, home to 50% of proven oil reserves worldwide. Saudi Arabia is controlled by a pro-American royal family, while the population as a whole is anti-American. We get cheap oil and we give the corrupt, Saud family military protection in exchange. Should the royal family collapse, the population, who feels their oil is being exploited, will cut back oil production, raising prices, exactly like what happened when the royals were evicted from Iran in 1979. Israel is capable of reacting quickly until we have time to get in and install a pro-oil, pro-American government.

Second, Israel and the US military have also had a special cooperation in weaponry development for many years, which was particulary useful during the cold war. We were not at war during most of this period, but working with Israel we were able to test our latest weapons under live battlefield conditions.

Third, the US is by far the largest exporter of weapons worldwide. The problem is that many nations that need weapons are banned by US and European law because of human rights abuses. Israel serves the lucrative role of arms broker for our defense industry to Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador and Zimbabwe among many others. Sometimes Israel steps out of line, such as last year when Israel tried to sell our AWACS to China. Congress stepped in and threatened to cut off military funding, before Israel relented.

America supports Israel for practical economic reasons, not solely or even mostly because of the jewish lobby. Europe doesn’t have the same economic need to support Israel, because their defense industry is much smaller. Thus they don’t have the need to test the latest weapons or need a partner to evade arms embargos. They also aren’t as interested in using Israel to maintain pro-oil regimes in the gulf. Europe already heavily taxes their oil in an effort to boost conservation, thus an increase in price would not be as detrimental to them. Without such a large economic incentive Europe just doesn’t see the need to support Israeli desires to destroy the Palestinian people.

Any jew is granted automatic Israeli citizenship, but there is a religious review, not sure of the details, that determines who qualifies as a jew.
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barb
3/20/2002 (13:28)
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Thanks for the un-biased and intelligent post, William!