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John Calvin
4/2/2002 (21:17)
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How to start an uprising
by Jeff Halper

http://cargo.ship-of-fools.com/

Jeff Halper, who is part of a group which monitors house demolitions and settlement-building by the Israeli authorities, accuses Israel of cynicism and bad faith in this summary of the stalled Middle East peace process.

First, you create great expectations. Handshakes on the White House lawn. A rhetoric of peace ('No more war. No more bloodshed'). Elections, giving them a flag of their own. Then secret meetings, summit meetings, dinners, retreats, peace treaties, interim agreements, promises, tantalizing benefits held before hungry eyes. More handshakes, more 'gestures.'

Then you create a framework of peace that guarantees you negotiating superiority. Take out international law, human rights covenants, UN resolutions, and for good measure enlist your strategic ally, the strongest power in the world, the one who supplies you with all your arms, as the 'mediator.'

Then, as you talk peace in Oslo, Washington, Paris, Cairo, the Wye Plantation, Stockholm, Amman, Camp David, Sharm, you 'create facts' on the ground that ensure your continued control and prejudice the negotiations altogether. You exploit the last seven years since the signing of the Oslo Accords to:

1. Dismember the West Bank into 'Areas A, B and C,' giving the Palestinian Authority full control of only 18 per cent of the land while retaining control over 61 per cent; divide tiny Gaza into 'yellow, white, blue and green areas,' giving 6,000 settlers control of 40 per cent of the territory and confining 1,000,000 Palestinians to the rest; and completely sever East Jerusalem from the wider Palestinian society.

2. Expropriate 200 square kilometers of farm and pasture land from its Palestinian owners for your own exclusive settlements, highways and infrastructure.

3. Uproot some 80,000 olive and fruit trees that are in the way of your construction projects, thereby impoverishing their owners and making them casual day workers in your labor market – provided they can get access to your labor market.

4. Add some 30 new settlements, including whole cities like Kiryat Sefer and Tel Zion, to the dozens of settlements that already exist in the Occupied Territories over which negotiations are taking place, and construct 90,000 new housing units in East Jerusalem and the settlements exclusively for your own population.

5. Demolish more than 1200 homes of the people with whom you are negotiating peace.

6. Double your settler population across the 1967 border to 400,000, 90 per cent of which you have already decided will remain under your sovereignty even though you haven't negotiated that with the other side yet.

7. Begin construction of 480 kms of massive highways and 'by-pass' roads serving your settlements while dissecting the future territory of your peace partner into tiny disconnected islands, thereby preventing the emergence of another viable and competing economy next door.

8. Impose a permanent 'closure' to prevent those whose lands you took from finding employment in your own economy, because you have discovered that workers from Rumania and Thailand are cheaper and more docile. While you're at it, you also exclude them from entering Jerusalem, the site of their holiest places.

9. Exploit their natural resources, unilaterally and illegally drawing, for example, 25 per cent of your country's water from your neighbors' aquifers while leaving them thirsty for months on end.

10. Vandalize their countryside and environment, burying its fragile historic landscape under your massive settlements and highways and turning it into a disposal site for your industrial and urban wastes.

Next, you wait until your occupation has become irreversible and all-encompassing, until you've integrated your two economies under your control, the electrical grids, the highway and urban infrastructure, until you've completely absorbed your partner's economy and society into your own.

Then you announce that your concept of peace is 'separation,' and you lock your neighbors into a few small islands, taking away any hope they have for a better future, for a real country and identity of their own. You keep tightening your control, restricting their life space, humiliating and harassing them – until the uprising finally explodes.

Then you tell your story to the world: how you tried to negotiate, how 'generous' you had been, how you wanted peace, and how disappointed you feel that 'they' let you down. How 'they' met your good intentions with stones, how 'they' are not partners for peace, how 'they' are not yet ready for peace.

And so, until they agree to end their violence against you and return to the same negotiating table that allowed you to construct your matrix of control in the first place, you resort to force – defensive force, of course, since 'they' are the aggressors. The most up-to-date American weapon systems, snipers, closures until starvation, clearing thousands of acres of agricultural land, destruction of hundreds of houses...

Until they get the message.




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Jeff Halper teaches anthropology at Ben Gurion University in Israel. He is co-ordinator of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD) and is editor of the critical Israeli-Palestinian magazine NEWS FROM WITHIN, published by the Alternative Information Center.
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John Calvin
4/2/2002 (21:28)
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http://ship-of-fools.com/Features/Palestine/index.html

As the Palestinian Intifada ('uprising') continues in Israel/Palestine, Ship of Fools is publishing reports received from human rights groups and other grassroots agencies working in the occupied territories. Also listed below are links to press articles we think are significant and useful. For a statement on the Ship of Fools editorial line, click here.

Grassroots reports

Renewed strikes on Bethlehem – 'My hands are still shaking five hours after the latest bombing attack...' Rev. Sandra Olewine reports from Bethlehem

Killings in Dheisheh refugee camp – Tanks and bulldozers have completely surrounded Dheisheh Refugee Camp (9 Mar 2002)

Bethlehem University attacked – Israelis fire a wire-guided missile at newly-inaugurated Millennium Hall (9 Mar 2002)

Bloodiest month of the conflict – 101 Palestinians have been killed in the first eight days of this month (8 Mar 2002)

5 Dead, 70 Injured in Tulkaram – News of this morning's invasion and reoccupation of the West Bank town of Tulkaram (7 Mar 2002)

F-16 strikes on Bethlehem – 'We all thought for a moment that a missile had landed downstairs in the bottom apartment...' Rev. Sandra Olewine reports from Bethlehem (6 Mar 2002)

Eyewitness report: The Attack on Balata – A local man describes the Israeli attack on Balata camp, home to 20,000 Palestinian refugees (1 Mar 2002)

Another stillborn baby after soldiers deny mother passage – Samar Hamdoun loses her baby after a four-hour detour forced by Israeli soldiers (27 Feb 2002)


Agencies, commentary & press reports

Inaction is complicity – Amnesty International calls on the international community to act immediately to save Palestinian and Israeli lives (8 Mar 2002)

The new anti-seminitism? – Some say that, beneath criticism of Ariel Sharon's policies, lurks a more sinister agenda (Andrew Beaumont, The Observer, 17 Feb 2002)

I watched a soldier shoot at children – Lucy Winkett watches a passing drama in the daily life of Palestinians under occupation (The Guardian, 14 Feb 2002)

Visits to Israel/Palestine

A pilgrimage to Beit Jala – Jim Forest of the Orthodox Peace Fellowship visited Beit Jala and talked to residents in this front-line town (August 2001)

A Palestinian diary – Simon Jenkins, editor of Ship of Fools, kept an online diary while travelling in Israel/Palestine, recording the intifada in its 10th month (June 2001)


Archived reports on the Israel/Palestine conflict are below

Grassroots reports

Human rights activist arrested – Dr Mustafa Barghouthi, a physician and human rights activist, is arrested and beaten by the Israeli army (2 January 2002)
Our Christmas present – The people of the peaceful Palestinian village of Wadi Foquin were given a surprise present by the Israeli army on Christmas Eve... a new roadblock (30 December 2001)
Locked up in Gaza – Constantine Dabbagh from the Middle East Council of Churches speaks of the situation in Gaza. Interviewed by Simon Jenkins (14 December 2001)
Botched Israeli assassination attempt kills two children – Israeli missiles intended for assassination missed their target and killed two children aged three and 13 instead (10 December 2001)
Suffocated by settlements and now cut off by the Israeli army – the fate of Wadi Foquin, a peaceful village without a medical clinic (4 December 2001)
Israeli assassination carried out by helicopter attack – Two more Palestinians are assassinated, bringing the total to five in the past 24 hours (1 November 2001)
Death in Manger Square – Viola Raheb and Rev. Sandra Olewine report from the besieged town of Bethlehem (23 October 2001)
Appeal from Jerusalem on behalf of Bethlehem – The heads of churches in Jerusalem appeal for help from Christians around the world (23 October 2001)
Beit Jala hospital under attack – Escalation of violence in Bethlehem, reported by Rev. Sandra Olewine (21 October 2001)
Heavy engagement with Israeli forces in Bethlehem – Rev. Sandra Olewine reports on the entry on Israeli forces into Bethlehem (21 October 2001)
A university under siege – Ghassan Andoni describes the everyday struggle for students and lecturers simply to get to their university (8 October 2001)
And they wonder why we're angry? – Muhanned Tull reflects on the current way of life for Palestinians under siege by Israel (26 August 2001)
Israeli missiles for supper – Hani Odeh, Director of the Evangelical Lutheran School in Beit Sahour, comes under missile fire (10 August 2001)
Lying down before the bulldozers – an eyewitness account by Jeff Halper of house demolitions in East Jerusalem (9 July 2001)
Revenge and ethnic cleansing – Jeff Halper reports on how the Israeli army destroyed homes, cisterns and olive trees in revenge for a settler's death (5 July 2001)
How to start an uprising – a summary of the provocations which have led to violence and a stalled peace process, by Jeff Halper (April 2001)
Commentary & press reports
Israel pushes Arafat to the brink – The continuing onslaught on the West Bank and Gaza threatens to create vacuum in Palestinian leadership (The Guardian, 14 December 2001)
Community in the firing line hardens its resolve – The actions of Sharon and the Israeli armed forces are not enough to satisfy the angry Jewish settlers of Emmanuel (The Independent, 14 December 2001)
The spiral of revenge must stop immediately – Amnesty International calls for an end to the killings of civilians in Israel and the Occupied Territories (Amnesty, 5 December 2001)
They ran for their lives through a field of death – Suzanne Goldenberg reports on a day of carnage in Gaza (Guardian, 5 December 2001)
The American people are not ready for peace in Palestine – most Americans have not yet reached the conclusion that there will be no peace in the Middle East until a peace treaty is reached in Palestine (17 November 2001)
The Bulldozer – Emma Brockes interviews Ariel Sharon among sheep and cows at his farm in the Negev (Guardian, 7 November 2001)
We are being reoccupied – Mustafa Barghouthi says that Sharon's 'real intention – to destroy the peace process he never agreed with – has been unmasked' (Guardian, 23 October 2001)
Seven Days – Jerusalem novelist David Grossman's diary of a week that saw Israel lurch to the edge of war (Guardian, 22 October 2001)
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JC
4/2/2002 (22:45)
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The other side of the story.

Peace? No chance
-Benny Morris

Benny Morris was the radical Israeli historian who forced his country to confront its role in the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Later he was jailed for refusing to do military service in the West Bank. But now he has changed his tune. As the cycle of violence in the Middle East intensifies, he launches a vicious attack on the 'inveterate liar' Yasser Arafat - and explains why he believes a peaceful coexistence is impossible

Thursday February 21, 2002
The Guardian

The rumour that I have undergone a brain transplant is (as far as I can remember) unfounded - or at least premature. But my thinking about the current Middle East crisis and its protagonists has in fact radically changed during the past two years. I imagine that I feel a bit like one of those western fellow travellers rudely awakened by the trundle of Russian tanks crashing through Budapest in 1956.
Back in 1993, when I began work on Righteous Victims, a revisionist history of the Zionist-Arab conflict from 1881 until the present, I was cautiously optimistic about the prospects for Middle East peace. I was never a wild optimist; and my gradual study during the mid-1990s of the pre-1948 history of Palestinian-Zionist relations brought home to me the depth and breadth of the problems and antagonisms. But at least the Israelis and Palestinians were talking peace; had agreed to mutual recognition; and had signed the Oslo agreement, a first step that promised gradual Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories, the emergence of a Palestinian state, and a peace treaty between the two peoples. The Palestinians appeared to have given up their decades-old dream and objective of destroying and supplanting the Jewish state, and the Israelis had given up their dream of a 'Greater Israel', stretching from the Mediterranean to the Jordan river. And, given the centrality of Palestinian-Israeli relations in the Arab-Israeli conflict, a final, comprehensive peace settlement between Israel and all of its Arab neighbours seemed within reach.

But by the time I had completed the book, my restrained optimism had given way to grave doubts - and within a year had crumbled into a cosmic pessimism. One reason was the Syrians' rejection of the deal offered by the prime ministers Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres in 1993-96 and Ehud Barak in 1999-2000, involving Israeli withdrawal from the Golan Heights in exchange for a full-fledged bilateral peace treaty. What appears to have stayed the hands of President Hafez Assad and subsequently his son and successor, Bashar Assad, was not quibbles about a few hundred yards here or there but a basic refusal to make peace with the Jewish state. What counted, in the end, was the presence, on a wall in the Assads' office, of a portrait of Saladin, the legendary 12th-century Kurdish Muslim warrior who had beaten the crusaders, to whom the Arabs often compared the Zionists. I can see the father, on his deathbed, telling his son: 'Whatever you do, don't make peace with the Jews; like the crusaders, they too will vanish.'

But my main reason, around which my pessimism gathered and crystallised, was the figure of Yasser Arafat, who has led the Palestinian national movement since the late 1960s and, by virtue of the Oslo accords, governs the cities of the West Bank (Hebron, Bethlehem, Ramallah, Nablus, Jenin, Tulkarm and Qalqilya) and their environs, and the bulk of the Gaza Strip. Arafat is the symbol of the movement, accurately reflecting his people's miseries and collective aspirations. Unfortunately, he has proven himself a worthy successor to Haj Muhammad Amin al Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem, who led the Palestinians during the 1930s into their (abortive) rebellion against the British mandate government and during the 1940s into their (again abortive) attempt to prevent the emergence of the Jewish state in 1948, resulting in their catastrophic defeat and the creation of the Palestinian refugee problem. Husseini had been implacable and incompetent (a dangerous mix) - but also a trickster and liar. Nobody had trusted him, neither his Arab colleagues nor the British nor the Zionists. Above all, Husseini had embodied rejectionism - a rejection of any compromise with the Zionist movement. He had rejected two international proposals to partition the country into Jewish and Arab polities, by the British Peel commission in 1937 and by the UN general assembly in November 1947. In between, he spent the war years (1941-45) in Berlin, working for the Nazi foreign ministry and recruiting Bosnian Muslims for the Wehrmacht.

Abba Eban, Israel's legendary foreign minister, once quipped that the Palestinians had never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. But no one can fault them for consistency. After Husseini came Arafat, another implacable nationalist and inveterate liar, trusted by no Arab, Israeli or American leader (though there appear to be many Europeans who are taken in). In 1978-79, he failed to join the Israeli-Egyptian Camp David framework, which might have led to Palestinian statehood a decade ago. In 2000, turning his back on the Oslo process, Arafat rejected yet another historic compromise, that offered by Barak at Camp David in July and subsequently improved upon in President Bill Clinton's proposals (endorsed by Barak) in December. Instead, the Palestinians, in September, resorted to arms and launched the current mini-war or intifada, which has so far resulted in some 790 Arab and 270 Israeli deaths, and a deepening of hatred on both sides to the point that the idea of a territorial-political compromise seems to be a pipe dream.

Palestinians and their sympathisers have blamed the Israelis and Clinton for what happened: the daily humiliations and restrictions of the continuing Israeli semi-occupation; the wily but transparent Binyamin Netanyahu's foot-dragging during 1996-99; Barak's continued expansion of the settlements in the occupied territories and his standoffish manner toward Arafat; and Clinton's insistence on summoning the Camp David meeting despite Palestinian protestations that they were not quite ready. But all this is really and truly beside the point: Barak, a sincere and courageous leader, offered Arafat a reasonable peace agreement that included Israeli withdrawal from 85-91% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip; the uprooting of most of the settlements; Palestinian sovereignty over the Arab neighbourhoods of East Jerusalem; and the establishment of a Palestinian state. As to the Temple Mount (Haram ash-Sharif) in Jerusalem's Old City, Barak proposed Israeli-Palestinian condominium or UN security council control or 'divine sovereignty' with actual Arab control. Regarding the Palestinian refugees, Barak offered a token return to Israel and massive financial compensation to facilitate their rehabilitation in the Arab states and the Palestinian state-to-be.

Arafat rejected the offer, insisting on 100% Israeli withdrawal from the territories, sole Palestinian sovereignty over the Temple Mount, and the refugees' 'right of return' to Israel proper. Instead of continuing to negotiate, the Palestinians - with the agile Arafat both riding the tiger and pulling the strings behind the scenes - launched the intifada. Clinton (and Barak) responded by upping the ante to 94-96% of the West Bank (with some territorial compensation from Israel proper) and sovereignty over the surface area of the Temple Mount, with some sort of Israeli control regarding the area below ground, where the Palestinians have recently carried out excavation work without proper archaeological supervision. Again, the Palestinians rejected the proposals, insisting on sole Palestinian sovereignty over the Temple Mount (surely an unjust demand: after all, the Temple Mount and the temples' remains at its core are the most important historical and religious symbol and site of the Jewish people. It is worth mentioning that 'Jerusalem' or its Arab variants do not even appear once in the Koran).

Since these rejections - which led directly to Barak's defeat and hardliner Ariel Sharon's election as prime minister - the Israelis and Palestinians have been at each other's throats, and the semi-occupation has continued. The intifada is a strange, sad sort of war, with the underdog, who rejected peace, simultaneously in the role of aggressor and, when the western TV cameras are on, victim. The semi-occupier, with his giant but largely useless army, merely responds, usually with great restraint, given the moral and international political shackles under which he labours. And he loses on CNN because F-16s bombing empty police buildings appear far more savage than Palestinian suicide bombers who take out 10 or 20 Israeli civilians at a go.

The Palestinian Authority (PA) has emerged as a virtual kingdom of mendacity, where every official, from President Arafat down, spends his days lying to a succession of western journalists. The reporters routinely give the lies credence equal to or greater than what they hear from straight, or far less mendacious, Israeli officials. One day Arafat charges that the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) uses uranium-tipped shells against Palestinian civilians. The next day it's poison gas. Then, for lack of independent corroboration, the charges simply vanish - and the Palestinians go on to the next lie, again garnering headlines in western and Arab newspapers.

Daily, Palestinian officials bewail Israeli 'massacres' and 'bombings' of Palestinian civilians - when in fact there have been no massacres and the bombings have invariably been directed at empty PA buildings. The only civilians deliberately targeted and killed in large numbers, indeed massacred, are Israeli - by Palestinian suicide bombers. In response, the army and Shin Bet (the Israeli security service) have tried to hit the guilty with 'targeted killings' of bomb-makers, terrorists and their dispatchers, to me an eminently moral form of reprisal, deterrence and prevention: these are (barbaric) 'soldiers' in a mini-war and, as such, legitimate military targets. Would the critics prefer Israel to respond in kind to a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv? Palestinian leaders routinely laud the suicide bombers as national heroes. In a recent spate of articles, Palestinian journalists, politicians and clerics praised Wafa Idris, a female suicide bomber who detonated her device in Jerusalem's main Jaffa Street, killing an 81-year-old man and injuring about 100. A controversy ensued - not over the morality or political efficacy of the deed but about whether Islam allows women to play such a role.

Instead of being informed, accurately, about the Israeli peace offers, the Palestinians have been subjected to a nonstop barrage of anti-Israeli incitement and lies in the PA-controlled media. Arafat has honed the practice of saying one thing to western audiences and quite another to his own Palestinian constituency to a fine art. Lately, with Arab audiences, he has begun to use the term 'the Zionist army' (for the IDF), a throwback to the 1950s and 1960s when Arab leaders routinely spoke of 'the Zionist entity' instead of saying 'Israel', which, they felt, implied some form of recognition of the Jewish state and its legitimacy.

At the end of the day, this question of legitimacy - seemingly put to rest by the Israeli-Egyptian and Israeli-Jordanian peace treaties - is at the root of current Israeli despair and my own 'conversion'. For decades, Israeli leaders - notably Golda Meir in 1969 - denied the existence of a 'Palestinian people' and the legitimacy of Palestinian aspirations for sovereignty. But during the 1930s and 1940s, the Zionist movement agreed to give up its dream of a 'Greater Israel' and to divide Palestine with the Arabs. During the 1990s, the movement went further - agreeing to partition and recognising the existence of the Pales tinian people as its partner in partition.

Unfortunately, the Palestinian national movement, from its inception, has denied the Zionist movement any legitimacy and stuck fast to the vision of a 'Greater Palestine', meaning a Muslim-Arab-populated and Arab-controlled state in all of Palestine, perhaps with some Jews being allowed to stay on as a religious minority. In 1988-93, in a brief flicker on the graph, Arafat and the Palestine Liberation Organisation seemed to have acquiesced in the idea of a compromise. But since 2000 the dominant vision of a 'Greater Palestine' has surged back to the fore (and one wonders whether the pacific asseverations of 1988-1993 were not merely diplomatic camouflage).

The Palestinian leadership, and with them most Palestinians, deny Israel's right to exist, deny that Zionism was/is a just enterprise. (I have yet to see even a peace-minded Palestinian leader, as Sari Nusseibeh seems to be, stand up and say: 'Zionism is a legitimate national liberation movement, like our own. And the Jews have a just claim to Palestine, like we do.') Israel may exist, and be too powerful, at present, to destroy; one may recognise its reality. But this is not to endow it with legitimacy. Hence Arafat's repeated denial in recent months of any connection between the Jewish people and the Temple Mount, and, by extension, between the Jewish people and the land of Israel/Palestine. 'What Temple?' he asks. The Jews are simply robbers who came from Europe and decided, for some unfathomable reason, to steal Palestine and displace the Palestinians. He refuses to recognise the history and reality of the 3,000-year-old Jewish connection to the land of Israel.

On some symbolic plane, the Temple Mount is a crucial issue. But more practically, the real issue, the real litmus test of Palestinian intentions, is the fate of the refugees, some 3.5-4m strong, encompassing those who fled or were driven out during the 1948 war and were never allowed back to their homes in Is rael, as well as their descendants.

I spent the mid-1980s investigating what led to the creation of the refugee problem, publishing The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949 in 1988. My conclusion, which angered many Israelis and undermined Zionist historiography, was that most of the refugees were a product of Zionist military action and, in smaller measure, of Israeli expulsion orders and Arab local leaders' urgings or orders to move out. Critics of Israel subsequently latched on to those findings that highlighted Israeli responsibility while ignoring the fact that the problem was a direct consequence of the war that the Palestinians - and, in their wake, the surrounding Arab states - had launched. And few noted that, in my concluding remarks, I had explained that the creation of the problem was 'almost inevitable', given the Zionist aim of creating a Jewish state in a land largely populated by Arabs and given Arab resistance to the Zionist enterprise. The refugees were the inevitable by-product of an attempt to fit an ungainly square peg into an inhospitable round hole.

But whatever my findings, we are now 50 years on - and Israel exists. Like every people, the Jews deserve a state, and justice will not be served by throwing them into the sea. And if the refugees are allowed back, there will be godawful chaos and, in the end, no Israel. Israel is currently populated by 5m Jews and more than 1m Arabs (an increasingly vociferous, pro-Palestinian irredentist time bomb). If the refugees return, an unviable binational entity will emerge and, given the Arabs' far higher birth rates, Israel will quickly cease to be a Jewish state. Add to that the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and you have, almost instantly, an Arab state between the Mediterranean and the Jordan river with a Jewish minority.

Jews lived as a minority in Muslim countries from the 7th century - and, contrary to Arab propaganda, never much enjoyed the experience. They were always second-class citizens and always discriminated-against infidels; they were often persecuted and not infrequently murdered. Giant pogroms occurred over the centuries. And as late as the 1940s Arab mobs murdered hundreds of Jews in Baghdad, and hundreds more in Libya, Egypt and Morocco. The Jews were expelled from or fled the Arab world during the 1950s and 60s. There is no reason to believe that Jews will want to live (again) as a minority in a (Palestinian) Arab state, especially given the tragic history of Jewish-Palestinian relations. They will either be expelled or emigrate to the west.

It is the Palestinian leadership's rejection of the Barak-Clinton peace proposals of July-December 2000, the launching of the intifada, and the demand ever since that Israel accept the 'right of return' that has persuaded me that the Palestinians, at least in this generation, do not intend peace: they do not want, merely, an end to the occupation - that is what was offered back in July-December 2000, and they rejected the deal. They want all of Palestine and as few Jews in it as possible. The right of return is the wedge with which to prise open the Jewish state. Demography - the far higher Arab birth rate - will, over time, do the rest, if Iranian or Iraqi nuclear weapons don't do the trick first.

And don't get me wrong. I favour an Israeli withdrawal from the territories - the semi-occupation is corrupting and immoral, and alienates Israel's friends abroad - as part of a bilateral peace agreement; or, if an agreement is unobtainable, a unilateral withdrawal to strategically defensible borders. In fact in 1988 I served time in a military prison for refusing to serve in the West Bank town of Nablus. But I don't believe that the resultant status quo will survive for long. The Palestinians - either the PA itself or various armed factions, with the PA looking on - will continue to harry Israel, with Katyusha rockets and suicide bombers, across the new lines, be they agreed or self-imposed. Ultimately, they will force Israel to reconquer the West Bank and Gaza Strip, probably plunging the Middle East into a new, wide conflagration.

I don't believe that Arafat and his colleagues mean or want peace - only a staggered chipping away at the Jewish state - and I don't believe that a permanent two-state solution will emerge. I don't believe that Arafat is constitutionally capable of agreeing, really agreeing, to a solution in which the Palestinians get 22-25% of the land (a West Bank-Gaza state) and Israel the remaining 75-78%, or of signing away the 'right of return'. He is incapable of looking his refugee constituencies in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Gaza in the eye and telling them: 'I have signed away your birthright, your hope, your dream.'

And he probably doesn't want to. Ultimately, I believe, the balance of military force or the demography of Palestine, meaning the discrepant national birth rates, will determine the country's future, and either Palestine will become a Jewish state, without a substantial Arab minority, or it will become an Arab state, with a gradually diminishing Jewish minority. Or it will become a nuclear wasteland, a home to neither people.


· Professor Benny Morris teaches Middle East history at Ben-Gurion University, Beersheba, Israel. His next book, The Road to Jerusalem: Glubb Pasha, the Jews and Palestine, is published by IB Tauris.

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TheAZCowBoy
4/2/2002 (23:29)
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Hate to admit it ( really ) but now that the Zionist parasites have just about devoured the Palestinian State one can better understand Hitler's 'final solution' and see him as a visionary.

The interesting part of this equation is how much like their Nazi tormentors the Zionist Jews thugs have become.

Hey folks, I begin to think DIM BULB, Condaliza Rice and Dick Cheney are closet LIKUDNIK's, what say you?


TheAZCowBoy,
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Ozzie Hooper
4/2/2002 (23:48)
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JC

Your justification of Benny Morris's Peace? No chance claim is all Hog-wash. Where ever you live now cozy in front of your computer allows you to justify Israel.

I have read Benny Morris's book 'Righteous Victims', he may have changed his tune but who cares. There are thousands of Israeli and non-Israeli intellectuals who write about their positions whether recording history or giving opinions. Benny Morris's view is not any different than a teenage girl's conviction for Abortion one day and then her opposition once a middle-aged mother. People change and their views change. Whether Benny Morris's life was threatened no one knows. Whether he has given up on his convictions, no one really knows (the chaos in Israel is draining to all, Israelis and Palestinians). But one thing I know for sure is that his conviction to a just peace was never more grounded than the conviction to his Identity. Because now he must feel like he has to choose between his Zionist tribe or isolation.

In other words, Benny Morris never had a commitment to any position when writing 'Righteous Victims', he just wrote according to what can be a good seller at the time (when both Israeli's and Palestinians were lead to believe that there was still hope for peace). Now that everyone is very pessimistic on the idea, he changes his tune.

That's how writers lose their credibility. No consistency in their messages like confused teenagers.
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JC
4/2/2002 (24:05)
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Ozzie - What can I say? Your mind is made up and even if God Almighty came down and said to you that the situation is the product of both sides being horribly incompetent, you'd probably tell God he/she/it did not know what they were talking about.

Now, if God came down to the see the Cowboy, God would say: 'Say hello to your hero Hitler in Hell.'

Peace.
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newcomer
4/3/2002 (1:19)
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jc, how do you write and say 'blitzkreig' in hebrew?
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egyptian
4/3/2002 (1:25)
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Kind of like a man raping a woman making her into a whore and then getting discussted with her because of her lack of morals.!!
get a Grip.
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newcomer
4/3/2002 (3:35)
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egyptian, getting upset with the truth? Handle it.
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John Calvin
4/3/2002 (14:13)
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I don't think Benny Morris's article in the Guardian seriously challenges the view set out by Jeff Halper. Furthermore, he makes generalizations which have no place in his formal, academically orientated works i.e. inexcusable simplifications and stereo-typing. He contradicts himself repeatedly, and makes transparently empty rhetorical gestures, like sayong the occupation is wrong at the beginning of a paragraph but concluding with a statement that, 'ultimately' Israel will have to conquer the West bank and Gaza.

Ozzie's analysis is essentially correct. Mr. Morris in bending in the wind.

It never ceases to amaze me how characters like Barb and JC come on to a forum like this and expect to be convincing or, somehow, see themselves in a role that can be defined as something other than annoying harassment.
If this is what you honestly think ( and you maybe right):

'Ozzie - What can I say? Your mind is made up and even if God Almighty came down and said to you that the situation is the product of both sides being horribly incompetent, you'd probably tell God he/she/it did not know what they were talking about.'

Why the hell do you keep posting here if not simply to annoy and harass us?
Be sure I'm not going to waste much time trying to turn you around so have a little courtesy and get lost. So far you havn't contributed a plug nickel to the discussion.

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JC
4/3/2002 (15:15)
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John,

It's OK for us to disagree. I'm not here to harass you. If you find my sharing my perspective and challenging that of others annoying, tough. You are free to refrain from responding to my posts.

You are a bright guy, but you clearly don't like others to challenge your positions. Tough. Your efforts to censor me or expel me from this forum only strengthen my commitment to remain and participate in the dialogue. I'll let you have fun with the analogies.

Peace.
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egyptian
4/3/2002 (15:52)
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Actually Jc has benefited me a lot.
I Had a lot of questions about how Israelis live with them selves.. now I know how .
It is too bad that this lesson i learned earlier on sept 11th when I saw people call them selves SUICIDE MARTERS .. which is an oxymoron in any religion.
I guess with some self delusion and some guilt .. you can basically work your self into the victim mentality deep enough to justify just about any thing. But JC does raise the point of responsibility though .. You see .. The minute he or she responded.. He or she can not claim 20 years from now that they do not agree on the 2002 holocaust ... or Sharon holocaust .. Or who knows what exotic name they would give this massacre then.
One thing is for sure .. it will be a made up name generously created to lie and cheat and mislead people away from the truth of what is happening now. Assuming there is still a world for Zionists to leech from.
Peace
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JC
4/3/2002 (21:44)
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Glad to know that I am helping you Egyptian. Hopefully in not too long a time you will have transcended your Egyptian state-sponsored media education and learned to see the complexity in the world and not just see it in black and white.

I have hope for you man.
I really do.

Peace.
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barb
4/4/2002 (2:38)
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John, get a grip. You are not God Almighty and have to realize sooner or later that not all people agree with your extreme leftist views. If it's 'annoying harrassment,' leave the board.
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JC
4/4/2002 (8:21)
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Way to go for speaking up Barb.

I think John Calvin is not so much a leftist as he is a libertarian with a particular dislike of Israel. The fact that he reads Tikkun gives him some credibility with me, but his silence on the role of the Islamic extremists and rejectionist nationalists limits how much credibility he really has.
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egyptian
4/4/2002 (24:17)
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Thanks JC
my 19 years in new york did not help .. But you did .!!
What an *****!!!
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egyptian
4/4/2002 (24:19)
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Help me out guys ..
ANY ONE ELSE beside JC .. FAILED TO GUESS that I MUST HAVE spent some time in america?
Peace.
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newcomer
4/4/2002 (24:57)
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could've fooled me