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Volume 14 #4
Middle East: The Quagmire of Peace
Yossi Beilin, the Israeli diplomat who started the Oslo peace process, and Khaled Meshaal, the Hamas leader whom the Mossad tried to assassinate in Amman, offer two divergent views on the future of the Middle East.
From the Architect of Oslo: A Way Out of Deadlock
Yossi Beilin, a labor member of the Knesset, was the initiator of the Oslo Peace Accord and a former minister in the governments of Yitzkah Rabin and Shimon Peres.
THE ROAD TO DEADLOCK
The Oslo track was never much of a love story, neither when I initiated the process in the winter of 1992, nor when the late Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin shook Yasser Arafat's hand on the White House lawn in September 1993.
Israel extended its hand to the Palestine Liberation Organization only after it became clear that the Hamas religious fundamentalists had weakened the PLO and stood waiting to replace it. The PLO only extended its hand to Israel in light of the cold shoulder it had received from the world following the Gulf War and the gradually diminishing internal support it had among the Palestinian people.
Oslo was a pragmatic, yet last-ditch effort and was never actually accompanied by mutual trust. It was a track that materialized because of the lack of any other option.
Since June 1996, the Likud government has acted as though it has a better alternative. Netanyahu has spoken about meeting with other Palestinians and has denigrated the Oslo track. In the end, however, despite his better wishes and those of most of his coalition partners, he realigned himself with the official governmental line of negotiation. The Palestinians have presented a mirror image of the 'better alternative' attitude and have begun talking about a return to violence and the intifada.
Both sides commit drastic violations of Oslo yet blame one another for stopping the negotiations. Propaganda has returned to its central role.
The Netanyahu government is losing public support over its inability to materialize its 1996 campaign promises of peace and security. The Palestinian Authority leadership is weakening as it fails in its efforts to combat terrorism and struggles to explain to its constituency the lack of benefits reaped from Oslo.
The Oslo agreement - with its five-year period of autonomy, its renewed withdrawal of army troops from the West Bank and Gaza, its strong Palestinian police force and its postponement of final status talks until the last stage of autonomy - is the legitimate son of Camp David.
When I raised the possibility early on of skipping directly to the final status talks, Rabin - and, surprisingly, the Palestinians - all voiced their preference of staying with the pre-established Camp David framework.
As a result, we now find ourselves two years away from the end of the autonomous period, with no negotiations going on toward a final status agreement and with the agreed - on army redeployment suspended.
GETTING THERE FROM HERE
The pathway to peace in the Middle East has become blocked by deep distrust, terrorism against Israelis and massive deterioration of the Palestinian economy. It does appear difficult to bridge the wide differences the two sides have on so many issues.
The Palestinians speak of an independent Palestinian state with pre-1967 borders and full authority and control over the whole West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu opposes any militarized Palestinian state and is willing to discuss territorial compromise of up to only 50 percent of the territory.
The Palestinians maintain their stance that East Jerusalem is their capital, while the Israeli consensus recognizes an undivided Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
The Palestinians demand the option of return to Israeli villages for the refugees who fled Israel in 1948 and took up temporary residence in neighboring Arab countries, while the Israeli consensus fears such a return as a threat to a Jewish majority in Israel.
Yet as a result of a series of noncommittal talks I have had with Palestinian leaders, 1 can envisage the following solution - a solution that neither fits perfectly with the Israeli nor the Palestinian agendas, but emerges - as political solutions should - as that elusive bridge between the two:
A Palestinian state will be established, with Israeli early-warning stations built to prevent a surprise attack from the east. The state will contain Gaza and nearly all of the West Bank, save for the small areas inhabited by the majority of the Israeli settlers. The settlers who fall under Palestinian control will be offered the choice of either returning to Israel with appropriate reimbursement or staying in their homes with special security arrangements. The refugees will be allowed to return to the Palestinian state, but not to Israel. An international refugee organization will be established, with Israel playing a major role in reimbursing and resettling the refugees.
Jerusalem remains the only issue that will be difficult to resolve in a two-state arrangement. In my scenario, the city will remain unified. The nearby area of Abu Dis, outside the municipal authority of the city of Jerusalem and yet still considered by the Palestinians as part of Al-Quds [the Arab Jerusalem -Editor], will be recognized by Israel as the capital of the Palestinian state.
The Palestinians will recognize West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Immediately following the signing of the peace agreement, the world's ambassadors will move their offices there from Tel Aviv. East Jerusalem will be classified as disputed territory, and both sides will discuss the final status of the area without setting a deadline. So long as no agreement is reached, the status quo will prevail in that part of the city.
Neither side will leave the table having accomplished all its goals, but both sides will acknowledge having received what was most important to them: For the Israelis, security and an undivided Jerusalem; for the Palestinians, a state and an answer to the refugee question.
Whatever we can accomplish will be the new reality. And the faster we reach a solution, the harder it will be for the extremists on both sides to torpedo the successes with their violence.
What Hamas Thinks
Khaled Meshaal, chief of the Hamas Political Bureau, was the target of the botched assassination attempt by Israeli agents in Amman, Jordan. The attack unleashed a political storm in the region. Meshaal was interviewed exclusively for NPQ on Thursday, October 9, by Rhami Khouri in Amman.
NPQ: Why do you think you were targeted personally in the assassination attempt?
KHALED MESHAAL: (Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin) Netanyahu, after his many failures - especially his failure to provide Israelis with the security he promised them and his failure in south Lebanon - wanted to achieve a theatrical or symbolic victory. That was intended to cover up for his failures on the one hand and to lift the morale of the Zionist people on the other.
Netanyahu also wanted to export his domestic crisis abroad, and thus he chose Hamas' chief of the political bureau.
NPQ: After the latest developments, how do you see your relations with the Palestine National Authority, especially after the meetings between Sheikh Yassin and Yasser Arafat in Amman and in Gaza?
MESHAAL: We deal with the PNA as part of our people despite our political differences. Although we are against the Oslo agreements, we strive to bolster national unity in the face of occupation and in the face of any confrontation.
After the recent developments our resolve has been strengthened. We hope that the PNA would reconsider its stands and give priority to Palestinian national interests and resist all the pressures applied on it by the Israelis and Americans.
Our main fight is against the enemy. This has always been our policy. But the PNA changed in response to Israeli positions and criteria. We want to meet with the PNA, but based on Palestinian positions and criteria.
NPQ: King Hussein of Jordan this week talked about a letter he sent to Netanyahu suggesting a dialogue with Hamas. \What is the letter about and what is its importance?
MESHAAL: Let me be very clear about this: Hamas did not send any message, whether written or verbal, whether direct or through an intermediary, to the Zionist enemy.
NPQ: How do explain what the king said, then?
MESHAAL: Ask the other parties. Clearly all the parties want to draw Hamas into the circle of the settlement, because Hamas is an influential force and because it has a strong presence in the Palestinian arena and cannot therefore be ignored. There is a desire and an intention to draw Hamas into the current process to settle the Arab-Israeli conflict, but that does not mean that Hamas has agreed to this.
NPQ: How do you interpret (Hamas founder and spiritual leader) Sheikh Ahmad Yassin's statements that the Palestinians are ready to coexist with the Jews if Israeli settlements and occupation are ended?
MESHAAL: Sheikh Yassin was talking about a situation after the rights of our people are restored. But there can be no coexistence with the enemy as long as it occupies our land and uproots our people. The victim must not be asked to live with his or her victimizer. But once our people have realized their rights, like the Americans realized theirs long ago, once we own our land and the five million Palestinians in the diaspora return home, then we can coexist with Jews.
There is no reason why a Jew cannot live with a Muslim and be secure in his home and his place of worship. That is what the Sheikh meant. And this is not new to our umma (Muslim community or nation). We lived for 14 centuries with many religions, and those people enjoyed safety among us.
NPQ: What rights do you mean? Do you mean that Israel should withdraw to the 1967 borders and coexist with a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza? Or do you mean that Israel should not exist as a Jewish state and instead all the peoples in Israel and Palestine should live together in a single state?
MESHAAL: The Palestinian right is a whole and cannot be divided. It means their right to live on their land as they did before the occupation. We want to go back to that (situation). We will not forfeit that right with the passage of time.
We have no problem accepting the Gaza Strip and the West Bank as a transitional solution, but without giving up our right to the rest of the land (of Palestine) and without giving legitimacy to the state of occupation and aggression. This transitional liberation is only one stage in our quest for the total liberation of Palestine.
NPQ: Doesn't transitional liberation imply a recognition of Israel?
MESHAAL: When we talk about a liberation in stages we talk about a truce only. But we will not recognize the usurpation and occupation of Palestine, nor will we give up the rest of the Palestinians' national rights.
NPQ: You are against the existence of a Jewish state then?
MESHAAL: Yes. That would be like rewarding aggression, something that all divine religions and international legal conventions and charters reject.
NPQ: But it seems the majority of Palestinians accepts Oslo, even if grudgingly, and seeks to gain its rights incrementally. How do you compare your stand with what seems to be majority Palestinian support for the Oslo approach?
MESHAAL: After four years Oslo did not achieve anything for the Palestinian people. The agreement has failed. It continues not because of its achievements or the Palestinian people's faith in it, but rather due to American and international support. The agreement failed because Israel does not believe in it nor is it willing to compromise.
On the other hand the Palestinian people are not behind the Oslo agreement. Those who gave the agreement a chance four years ago now believe it will not work. The life of the Palestinian people has become black and grim. The 5,000 Palestinian prisoners were not released, Israeli settlement building goes on, bypass roads are being built, killing of our people goes on, threats to Jerusalem and Hebron persist, no Palestinian refugees were allowed back home.
NPQ: Hamas uses a form of armed resistance which the West and many others in the world call terrorism, especially when targeted against civilians. Is Hamas considering relatively less armed struggle and relatively more political struggle? Or are things going to stay as they are?
MESHAAL: The accusation of terrorism does not scare us. Because we are not terrorists. We are practicing a right that is guaranteed to all peoples: the right to resist occupation. Real terror is that embodied in the Zionist entity: The experience of my attempted assassination is a testimony. Israel practices state terrorism, international terrorism, technological terrorism. It considers all the capabilities of the world its own even if it violates the sanctity of a friendly state like Canada and a country with which it has a peace treaty like Jordan. When the enemy violates the sovereignty of Jordan that is a proof that it does not respect peace or abide by peace treaties. The Palestinian people have no choice but to resist, especially after the failure of all other options.
NPQ: Does Hamas think of reviving the intifada and halting military operations against Israel?
MESHAAL: As long as occupation persists and Palestinian rights are usurped and the enemy's violations of these rights inside and outside Palestine continue, and as long as five million Palestinians remain refugees, the Palestinian people will use all available options to resist - whether through military operations or intifada - and until liberation and our return to our land are achieved.
NPQ: We hear talk in the press of Sheikh Yassin speaking of a possible truce between Hamas and Israel - what is the reality of this talk from your perspective?
MESHAAL: What Sheikh Yassin said about a truce is not new; he offered it before. Hamas is not against transitional liberation of the West Bank and Gaza. We accept that part of Palestine be liberated as a step toward the whole liberation of Palestine and toward achieving all our rights. The withdrawal must be real, and settlements must be dismantled and settlers removed. Sovereignty for us must be complete. We are not against that.
A future moment might come when the conditions for that are right. But these developments can only be achieved through continued resistance and at least some change in the balance of power.
NPQ: You are then ready for an interim solution, but in the long run you refuse to coexist with a Jewish state?
MESHAAL: Of course.
NPQ: Since Hamas refuses to engage Israel in talks how can a truce be reached?
MESHAAL: That can be achieved through the compounded and cumulative consequences of resistance. When the enemy feels that the cost of occupation is very high it will give in. Then some arrangements can be worked out. Meanwhile, there is no use in contacting Israeli parties, since that will only be begging the Israelis, as happened in Oslo.
NPQ: What if Yasser Arafat is out of the picture in the near future, for some reason? How do you envision developments in Palestinian political society?
MESHAAL: Our stand has not changed. We are keen on safeguarding the higher interests of our people and maintaining our unity, whether in the time of Arafat or after him. We are not in competition with, nor do we want to replace, anybody. We are also not in the stage of dividing the spoils or the political cake that is on offer. Our concern is the interest of our people.
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