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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (11:45)
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I am not able to access some of the earlier posts because this person 'truth' (LOL!) is flooding the board with posts.

Please stop. Try responding to some of the posts already up.
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truth
4/14/2002 (11:57)
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I can not wait till the people here answer you :)
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mesamrt
4/14/2002 (12:04)
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seth,

get the fuck off this board. you are a typical Jew, always whining, the whole world is doing your dumb ass wrong. Go play with your yamaka
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True American
4/14/2002 (12:13)
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Seth, your people may control my corrupt Gov. officials, however, they do not control my people, stop your bitching. You will not control this board. If you don't like the posts get the hell off. If your people don't like being attacked by Palestinians than get the fuck out of Palestinian land
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (12:17)
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Typical fanatical behavior. Just BOMB the forum with idiotic posts to avoid the real issues.

And talk about whining... the way the Palestinians make it out to be, the IDF simply came into their neighborhoods for no particular reason and shot them all up, JUST because they were harboring some girl scouts selling cookies door-to-door.

Message to Palestinian people: 'Don't harbor terrorists. The IDF will come in and hunt them down. The terrorists don't care if you get killed in the cross fire. In fact they will use you as human shields.'
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (12:20)
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The Israelis are not going anywhere.

Israel is here to stay.

If you are reasonable people you will get a state as well.

If you are like the assholes in this forum who seek the murder of Jews you will end up with Nakba II.

Your choice.
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mesmart
4/14/2002 (12:21)
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seth,

hide behind the board, typical pussy Jew, I lived under the occupation, I know what those bastards do, you may sell you story to many, but you can not sell it for long.


Those of us who made it out will get the truth out about the zionist scum and you will all pay. maybe not now, baybe not in the next year or so, but eventualy you will all pay...
reply by
pissed off
4/14/2002 (12:22)
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Israel will never know peace
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Palestonia
4/14/2002 (12:23)
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you thought what Hitler did was bad, well baby you aint seen nothing yet....
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (12:23)
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You assholes are digging your own grave. I have more sympathy for the Israelis than I ever did. I know that millions of others feel the same way.
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True American
4/14/2002 (12:25)
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Every day more of us are learning the truth about the zionist scum. Lets wipe out the scum!
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (12:26)
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The only thing you people seem to know how to do is destroy things. The Israelis at least know how to invent and create things. They add value to the global community. Jerks like you only drain the world of energy.

Do us all a favor and go to Bagdhad and wait for the bombs.
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True America
4/14/2002 (12:26)
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Seth,

Get your head out of your ass and don't speak for us, millions feel the same way, wake up man, we hate your ass.
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (12:28)
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I feel honored to have my ass hated by idiotic assholes like you. I'd be freaked out if you liked me.

Just know that your ass is equally hated and you are doomed to being an asshole the rest of your life.
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1 Billion Hindus Hate YOU
4/14/2002 (12:32)
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Last week you read about the cruel treatment of women in Islam. I shall continue along the same lines and write about the horrible treatment of kafirs (non-muslims) by muslims which the Quran completely justifies.

To understand this cruel treatment by the muslims one has to understand why Islam was originated. As Anwar Sheikh, a free thinker has said in his book, Islam is nothing but a Arab National Movement. This movement was the dream of Mohammed who wanted everything under his control. Islam was a convenient religious excuse for him to do this.

For this movement to be successful, Mohammed had to find a way to control mindless people and justify the brutal merciless killings. Thus Islam was devised and propagated by a band of dacoits.

To start with, the Great Mohammed divided the Arabian society in two tight compartments:

Momins

Kafirs

The word momin means believer in Mohammed and Allah. In contrast a kafir is a non-believer. The momins did not have to be better men than the Kafirs in terms of character or consciousness. Momins had only to recite the Kalima (incantation)- 'there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his Prophet.' By doing that the 'momins' become qualified to kill as many kafirs as they could or pleased, looting and burning their belongings and enslaving their women and children in the process.

The momins were not of course risking their lives for nothing. Four-fifths of the booty and prisoners captured in war was theirs in accordance with the law laid down in the Quran by the prophet himself. The prisoners included quite a number of fair and young maidens who could set any momin's mouth watering. No wonder that the infant state of Islam at Medina was able to assemble very soon quite a number of dedicated swordsmen without spending a penny from its own coffers. The principle of free enterprise applied to plunder an pillage was functioning with full force.

The prophet of Islam proclaimed that Allah has assigned the whole world to the momins. Not a patch was to be left for the kafirs to dwell. But it seems that Allah's knowledge of geography was not so good. It looks like Allah's Prophet Mohammed had not heard of many lands beyond Syria, Iraq, Persia, Ethiopia, and Egypt. Notwithstanding this lack of geographical knowledge, the prophet divided the world in two contending spheres--darul-Islam(the zone of peace where the mulsims were the dominant element) and darul-Harb (the zone of war where the kafirs or non-muslims held sway). Anwar Sheikh says,

'The philosophy that lies behind Islam is stunning and proves the consummate political skill of the Prophet Mohammed: by declaring all Muslims as one nation and the non-Muslims as another, he created the Two Nation Theory, perpetually setting Muslims against non-Muslims. Again, he stressed that in this struggle the Muslims would be victorious.'


We see this philosophy in practice in the modern times. The partition of India was based totally on this. Here Pakistan and Bangladesh are darul-Islam whereas India is darul-Harb. The recent religious wars in Bosnia were also based on this.

Anwar Sheikh further says,

'I am referring to the prophet's declaration that Allah has made him the Model of Practice for his followers. It has come to mean that the Muslims must copy him in everything, they must eat, drink, walk and talk like him, even must look like him, that is, they grow beard like his, have a similar hair-cut and dress like him. This is what is called followings the Sunnah .i.e., the Prophetic: Model which is the guarantee of salvation. One can easily say that Islam has been designed to induce respect and love for Arabia. There are express commands of the Prophet, which state that a person is not Muslim until he loves him more than his own father and mother. The idea is that people must be weaned from their own nationalities and motherlands, and attached firmly to Mecca. This is the reason that the Muslims of India call their own homeland as the battlefield and Arabia the fountain of peace and celestial glory. Now, it is perhaps, easy for you to understand why the Muslims of India partitioned their own motherland for practicing the Arab cultural values in Pakistan (and Bangladesh).'


To ensure the superiority of darul- Islam the prophet, Mohammed took the following steps:


When Adam was evicted from paradise, he came to Mecca where he built the first house of God. Thus, he identifies Godliness with Kabba, a sanctuary of Mecca where God lives.

For the purpose of imposing Arab psychological superiority on non-Arab Muslims, he decreed that they must prostrate five-times- a-day facing Mecca. This is not only an act of submission to Mecca, the capital city of Arabia, but also proves beyond a shadow of doubt that God lives in Mecca, otherwise why should people prostrate in that direction?

A Muslim must not defecate himself or answer the call of nature facing Mecca. It is a blasphemous act in view of the sanctity of Mecca.

When Muslims die, they must be buried facing Mecca, which is the guarantee of their salvation.

To make sure that the Arabs enjoy economic opulence, the Prophet made Hajj as obligatory ritual for his followers. It is a pilgrimage to Mecca. There are countless Indian Muslims who sell their homes and personal belongings to undertake this journey.

The muslims must love Arabia because the prophet did so. They must follow him as the Divine Model of Practice. This is what Islam expects of muslims. If they don't, they are sure to enter hell because the Prophet will not intercede on their behalf. Intercession is the special power of the Prophet Mohammed. He will recommend paradise for his followers on the Day of Judgment. His recommendation is final and Allah cannot deny it. It is available to all murderers, rapists, arsonists, cheats, thugs, pickpockets and pimps provided they are followers of the Prophet. On the contrary, all Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Christians will be cast into a flaming hell, no matter, how pious and God-fearing they may have been. Piety has no meaning and value without believing in Mohammed and the greatness of his homeland. Intercession is the climax of the Prophet's National wisdom--It is this Muslim belief which gives them the hope of free sex and economic abundance, and they feel obliged to kill in the name of Islam. This is why they are ever ready to stab their motherland. After all, caring about one's country entails sacrifices whereas the comforts of paradise are sweet and splendid. And it is especially so when they involve no moral responsibility.

After reading the above passages you should be able to comprehend the true nature of a muslim and the reason behind the countless killings, rapes, arsons, and loots done by muslims throughout history. Now I will quote from the Quran below to support what I have stated above. The chapters and verse numbers are also stated here for refernce.

Verses from the Koran:

VIII/12: When thy Lord inspired the angels (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

Here one can clearly see that the Quran is openly saying to the muslims to give a torturous death to those who are non-believers of the Islamic faith.

XCVIII/6: Lo! those who disbelieve, among the people of the Scripture and idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.

From the above passage you can clearly see that according to Mohammed, Allah has reserved a special place for non- mulsims--HELL!

IX/5: Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor- due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

This verse tells us that muslims are free to convert non-muslims by force and brutality. If unsuccessful in doing so, they are free to kill.

IX/73: Oh Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

LXIX/30-37: (It will be said)Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat.

Here we get a description of how to punish Non Muslims. This is in practice even today in Islamic countries. In fact, the Sikh Gurus and their families were tortured by muslims as prescribed in the Quran. For example, Sikh guru Tegh Bahadur on refusing to accept Islam, was brought to the prison in a cage like he was a wild animal. Three of his disciples were murdered in front of him. One of them was Bhai Mati Das. He was sawed alive. The other was wrapped up in cotton and burnt alive. Bhai Dyala, the third one, was boiled alive. Guru Tegh Bahadur himself was brutally tortured and killed in a similar fashion. We see further support of these types of torments in the verses below.

XLIV/43-50: LO! the tree of Zaqqum (The tree that grows in the heart of hell bearing fruits like devil's heads) - the food of the sinner. Like molten brass, it seetheth in their bellies as the seething of boiling water. (And it will be said): Take him and drag him to the midst of hell, then pour upon his head the torment of boiling water. Saying: TASTE! LO! thou wast forsooth the mighty, the noble! Lo! this is that whereof ye used to doubt.

IX/123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

IV/144: O Ye who believe! choose not disbelievers for your friends in place of believers. Would you give Allah a clear warrant against you ?

This verse clarifies the fact that a true Muslim can never be a friend of a person of another faith. People who believe otherwise are under delusion.

IX/29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

This verse in Quran gave birth to the law that all non muslims living in an Islamic state have to pay the jiziya or poll tax for the privilege of being there. These people are called zimmis and are allowed to live and work in the Islamic lands under the following 20 disabilities: (one has to wonder if apartheid was derived from this)



They are not to build any new places of worship.

They are not to repair any old places of worship which have been destroyed by the muslims.

They are not to prevent muslim travellers from staying in their places of worship.

They are to entertain for 3 days any Muslim who wants to stay in their homes and for a longer period if the muslim falls ill.

They are not to harbor any hostility or give aid and comfort to hostile elements.

They are not to prevent any one of them from getting converted to Islam.

They have to show respect to every Muslim.

They have to allow Muslims to participate in their private meetings.

They are not to dress like muslims.

They are not to name themselves with Muslim names.

They are not to ride on horses with saddle and bridle.

They are not to possess arms.

They are not to wear signet or seals on their fingers.

They are not to sell or drink liquor openly

They are to wear a distinctive dress which shows their inferior status and separates them from Muslims.

They are not to propagate their custom and usages among the muslims.

They are not to build their houses in the neighbourhood of muslims.

They are not to bring their dead near the graveyards of the muslims.

They are not to observe their religious practices publicly or mourn their dead loudly.

They are not to buy muslim slaves.
Here again I have stated another handful of facts which expose the true nature of Islam. Any logical person by now should have realized that Islam is meant for the lowest of the low. The followers of Islam are mindless tyrannical demons who know nothing better than killing and torturing people in the name of Allah. And they do this because a pervert named Mohammed, among other things, promised his followers 72 Houris (Beautiful Virgin Women) and virility of 100 men in 'Jannat' (Heaven). This is very puzzling--why virility of 100 men and only 72 houris? Why not 100 houris? The answer is very simple--the prophet Mohammed promises these 'pious' muslims that they will also be given 28 young boys in addition to the 72 houris for their sexual pleasure.

NOTE: The works of A. Ghosh and Anwar Sheikh have been used in this article.
reply by
mesmart
4/14/2002 (12:38)
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Whose people are hated? Whose people were chased out and contiune to be chased out of countries?

The world hates you, history has proven this....
reply by
pissed off
4/14/2002 (12:44)
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There isnt a country who is willing to take you in, Palestine belongs to the Palestinas, get the fuck out. Even Amrica doesn't want you, they just want your money... Many can buy you friends, but it can not buy you loyalty. If your money runs out, American support will run out, get it?
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (12:53)
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Israel is for the Israelis and the future Palestinian state is for the Palestinians.

On this we agree, da?
reply by
pissed off
4/14/2002 (14:19)
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we agreed way back, the rules have changed Isreal, fuck Isreal and Isrealis. Your peopel are doomed
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Wisso
4/14/2002 (14:33)
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Seth i swear to god..nothing in my life would i enjoy more then piss on u beat u up and then bake u in thjat oven and see the innocent hypocrit expression in yer eyes ....... man u dont know how much i enjoy watching those holocust movies and see how u ppl suffered so bad....man i wish u were among them u fuckfaced bastard.... Something u have to understand seth is that Jews have no friends in this world....they may have political friends but the human population do not like u....u guys r viruses ...a fat ass diases that needs to be exterminated by the wqorst form of pain...u r the incarnation of evil on this earth...u have racists views..uy selfish fucks dont think aobvut anyone but yerselves...u r the source of many many many wars...wars that destroyed alot of things.......why do u think UN created israel...The reason is simple..they want yer asses out of europ...u destroyed it once they dont want u to do it again...oh man if only i can u see u seth talk like u do..holy fuck u would get severly injured.....LONG LIVE PALESTINE long live ARABS... One day....u will regret the day u established a state in arab territories...one day u ppl will pay!!!
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Palestonia
4/14/2002 (14:39)
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We are every where and we will haunt you ass where ever you go, you can not hide.. you might kill our current freedom fighters, but you can not kill our spirit to go on, our children are ready to kill your ass. Watch out, your doomed... run to America while you can, get out while you can... We have proven that we are not afraid to die for our Palestine, Lebabnon, syria, etc.... We will Live free or die, but we will not die alone we will take you with us, one by one, ten, twenty at a time, numbers are not important what is, is that we will wipe your ass off the face of the earth....
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (16:23)
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Wisso - I assure you, I would kick your ass in any fight. Trust me on this.

Palestonia - We are everywhere too and if you continue to try and destroy Israel we will destroy you.

The difference between us is that we are not driven to destroy you. Israel is fine living next to you as neighbors. You are driven to destroy to Israel more than you are driven to build your own state.

Your hate is going to lead to your destruction.
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Palestonia
4/14/2002 (16:30)
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Seth you are such a pussy a Palestinian girl could kick your Ass.

We will destroy you, you will never know peace.

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Wisso
4/14/2002 (16:34)
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Seth..i d love to see that...do u live in the montreal region ???
oh boy i d love to see that!!!....

Jewish way to kick someone's ass: helicopter...f16...tanks....Is that how u d be able to kick me ass??
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Palestonia
4/14/2002 (16:36)
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This Palestinain Girl specialy would love to kick your Ass.

PALESTINE MY BLOOD PALESTINE MY EYES PALESTINE MY LIFE PALESTINE EVERY BREATH I TAKE.
PALESTINE FOR EVER
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Mesmart
4/14/2002 (16:41)
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wisso,

you got it, with-out their American Weapons, Israeli Soldiers are Pussies. Whenever they stormed our refugee camp,we challenged them to drop their weapons and fight us one on one.

Man you should have seen the look on their faces, I think one of them wet his pants when my aunt went up to him and spit in his face and dared him to fight her like a man... And she was a petite, delicate little lady.Hee, hee

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__
4/14/2002 (16:50)
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Yeah with a mustache.


Would you fight a broad with a mustache?
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Issac Hanan
4/14/2002 (17:05)
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Seth! I would like to ask you a very owesome question: 'If you were Sharon how would you solve the Palestinian question?' Honest.!
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (17:23)
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If I were Sharon I'd go on a diet. Then I'd say to the Palestinian people: You have two choices. You can accept us and have your own state in the West Bank and Gaza, or you can continue to try and eliminate us and be treated with the local customs (see Assad @ Hama). I'd make the transition of control over the land phased so that the Palestinians are invested in making the relationship work.
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Palestonia
4/14/2002 (17:41)
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your people chose sharon as their leader, He shall lead you distinction.
reply by
anti_seth
4/14/2002 (17:41)
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And how many new settlers would you put in the west bank through your phasic plan if the palistenians agree to it ??
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (17:51)
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Nada uno.
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Issac Hanan
4/14/2002 (17:54)
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Seth!are you honest? As I think you are? Now we should ask: can Sharon apply the solution you gave? I think not!!.
Now we should ask us: If you are to advice Araft, if Sharon redeculed the solution you suggested. What would you tell him to do?? I mean Arafat..
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (18:02)
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Denounce terror. Retire. Let Sari Nussbieh become the leader. Israelis can't trust Arafat. He has lied too many times.

Tell me. Honestly. Do you think that Arafat has lied in the past?
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Palestonia
4/14/2002 (18:04)
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Issac,

don't kid yourself, Thousands of Settlement were built after Oslo.

They want a pure Jewish state. We will arrange one for them in Hell
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (18:07)
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Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on Sunday renewed his proposal for an international conference on the Middle East, but a senior U.S. official downplayed the idea because Sharon would exclude Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

The proposal was one of several topics Sharon discussed in his meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell.

Powell told Sharon the United States was prepared to lead such a conference that would include representatives from Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel and the Palestinians, according to Sharon spokesman Ra'anan Gissin.

'It's something that's been around,' said a senior State Department official. But the Bush administration insists Sharon must deal with Arafat as the legitimately elected leader of the Palestinians.

'That's why we're saying we didn't particularly endorse Sharon's idea,' the senior official said.

Powell spent Sunday in meetings with both leaders, trying to draw them closer to a cease-fire after months of intensified fighting and the ongoing Israeli offensive in the West Bank.

The U.S. official said Sharon has said in the past that Israel might attend a peace conference with 'moderate' Arab leaders. But Sharon has made clear he does not consider Arafat to be such a leader.

'[Arafat] is a man of terror, not a man of peace,' Gissin said.

Powell pressed Sharon for a complete Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank, but the Israeli leader again gave no timetable for pulling Israeli troops out, Gissin said.

Gissin said Arafat would have to take significant steps on the ground to prove he supports a cease-fire before the Israeli government would consider opening talks with him.

'We don't think he can do it, 'Gissin said. 'The Americans do so. We are happy to let them try. But we don't think Arafat can do it.'

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To Palestonia
4/14/2002 (18:08)
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If what you say is true, why did the Israelis offer what they did at the last Taba talks?

What exactly did they offer at those talks?
reply by
TheAZCowBoy
4/14/2002 (18:49)
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'And the winner is!'

Hey, Seth---ever hear about Treblinka?

Bad news, huh?

Ever hear about Autzwich?

Much worse, huh?

Ever hear about Beirut, summer of 1982?

28,000 civilian's slaughtered by Sharon & Begin, another 500,00 left wounded, maimed and homeless, well, the people of the world did.

Ever hear about Sabra & Chatila? Almost 2,000 Palestinian innoents massacred by the SLA while the IDF blocked all exits and lit the skies with paraflares to facilitate the slaughter.

In Belguim they are still gathering the evidence to file charges against your scum LIKUDNIK Ariel Sharon for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. ( quite a distinction for a head of a nation, huh? )

In Ramallah & Jenin, the story isn't all in---but believe me it will come.

Preliminary reports indicate your IDF thugs murdered and massacred close to 500 civilians.

Palestinian survivors claim the IDF bull dozers dozens upon dozens of bodies with bull dozers before the 'limited' freedom for journalist to travel to Jenin were authorized by the IDF hoodlums.

Yes, the Holocaust was a terrible thing--but guess what Seth, your Jewish parasite relatives are not one iota better.

So go play with yourself because the posters on this site have had it with your Zionist relatives--and you among them!

TheAZCowboy,
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smart
4/14/2002 (18:58)
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Are the Jews really Israelites, or is the real Israel the United States? A special Discerning the Times Analysis

Editor's note: After writing about Israel and God's covenant with His chosen people in the past few month's issue of the Digest, several of our subscribers have written and challenged me on the fact that the Jews in Israel are not Semitic Jews to which God's covenant was given through Abraham. Rather, they are descendants of Khazarian converts that have no Semitic blood. Therefore, the reasoning goes, most of the Jews in Israel today are not true heirs to the covenant which means the nation of Israel today has no special purpose in God's promises.

Though still small, the 'Jews are not Israelites' movement is growing and is becoming a very divisive issue within the Christian Church today. Defining the truth in this controversy is extremely important since most of the prophecy concerning the end days is centered on God's chosen people and the original covenant. I was aware of the controversy, but had not studied the issue for several decades. So, one of the things I did between times of prayer during my week's sabbatical was to gather more recent information concerning the Khazarian Jews and their impact on history and the Semitic bloodline. The following is a brief summary of what I found.

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smart
4/14/2002 (19:13)
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After many generations of rejecting God, following false gods, and otherwise 'doing evil in the sight of God,' the Assyrians conquered the 10 northern tribes of Israel in 722 BC. They were then exiled to the northern Assyrian frontier. There, the record of the ten northern tribes ends. Although there is much dispute over what happened to them, most historians believe they intermarried and were absorbed into the people living there. They 'perished' as a distinct people of God, probably in fulfillment of the prophecy given in Deuteronomy 8:19, 'If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely perish.'

According to both Jewish and Christian traditions, the chosen people are today's Jews who descended from the southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin. These two tribes escaped the Assyrian captivity because of the God-loving King Hezekiah and others like him that tore down the high places and returned to God's covenant. Nonetheless, they disobeyed God, and though God is longsuffering He must eventually judge sin. He judged His wayward people, first through exile by the Babylonians for their disobedience to God beginning in 605 BC, and then dispersed among the nations of the world after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD by the Roman General Titus.

Upon entering the promised land, God warned the Israelites that if they did not obey Him, He would scatter them among the nations from 'one end of the earth to the other,' where they will have 'no resting place for the sole of (their) foot. There the Lord will give (them) an anxious mind, eyes that are weary with longing, and with a despairing heart'. At the very end God foretold that Israel would 'live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life. In the morning you will say, 'If only it were evening!' and in the evening, 'If only it were morning!' -- because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights your eyes will see.' (Deuteronomy 28:64-67) The fulfillment of this curse began in 70 AD with the fall of Jerusalem and the Temple to Rome.

The exile was not to be permanent. God also promised Israel that He would return the remnant of Israel in numerous Biblical prophecies, including Jeremiah 31:7-8, 'This is what the LORD says: ‘‘Sing with joy for Jacob; shout for the foremost of the nations. Make your praises heard, and say, ‘O LORD, save your people, the remnant of Israel.’ See, I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the ends of the earth.' The Jews and the traditional Christian Church believe this prophecy, and many more like it, was fulfilled as the Jews returned to Palestine in the first half of the twentieth century from Europe and Israel once again became a nation on May 14, 1948--for the first time in nearly 2,000 years.

Two thousand years of Jewish judgment and persecution

It is important to realize that not all the Jews dispersed around the world was the result of Roman exile. The Diaspora of the Jews began with the Babylonian exile. Many Jews spread north and west from Babylon to colonize and trade in those regions while many others stayed in Babylon. During the Greco-Roman period Jews, according to traditional history, settled throughout Asia Minor and southern Europe. Many Jewish prisoners of war were brought to Rome after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Following the 135 AD Bar Kohbah revolt in Israel, Jews were forbidden to enter Jerusalem upon penalty of death and most Israeli Jews were exiled to both sides of the Mediterranean Sea.

According to traditional history, Jews fled under growing Catholic persecution in Southern Europe from about 600 to 1100 AD to Spain as well as France and Germany. The Christians during the day believed God had shifted His covenant blessing from the Israelites to the Christians, leading to self-righteous persecution of the Jews. During the Crusades from 1095 to 1270, Jews in Southern Europe fled to Spain, England, Scandinavia, and Eastern Europe as the result of severe persecution and wholesale massacres of the Jews. England turned out to be the wrong place to go, because in 1290 King Edward I expelled the Jews. King Charles II did the same thing in 1394 in France by forcing all Jews from France. At the same time persecution in Germany forced most European Jews into Eastern Europe, especially Poland and Western Russia. Jews migrating from Western and Central Europe to Eastern Europe were called Ashkenazim Jews.


God warned His people (the Jews), that He would scatter them over the face of the earth if they were not obedient. He first did this with the Babylon exile which then led to the Diaspora in which most exiled Jews did not return home but stayed in Babylon or migrated to other places (blue). Following Christ's warning that God's judgment was about to fall again, the Jews were almost totally removed from Israel and scattered over North Africa and Southern Europe (orange). The rise of the Catholic Church brought a horrible and hounding persecution of the Jews wherever they fled, fulfilling God's curse (red). The persecution eventually forced the Israelite Jews to migrate to Eastern Europe and Western Russia where they met and intermarried with the non-Israelite Khazar Jews (purple). The Czars of Russia then renewed the persecution which forced the Jews to emigrate to other areas of the world (green).
Given the animosity today, many may be surprised that the wandering Jews had peace and flourished under the rule of the Muslims at the time. Therefore, many fled to the Balkans, Turkey and Spain. By the 1400's the Muslims were displaced by the Catholic Church from Spain and Portugal, and the Jews, who had flourished there, were viciously persecuted and slaughtered during the Spanish Inquisition from 1478 to 1497. Jews from North Africa, called the Sephardim, fled Spain and North Africa and some resettled in the Netherlands and Eastern Europe, but most fled to the Balkans, Turkey and Palestine.

The Russian persecution of the East European Jews from 1648 to 1917 once again forced millions of Jews to flee. This time they fled back to England where the Protestant reformation now welcomed them, and to Western Europe, America, Canada, South America and Palestine. Over 2 million East European Jews came to America during the Russian persecution. Those in Western Europe eventually were liberated by Napoleon and prospered until the dark days of Hitler.

Today it is estimated that between 85-95 percent of all Jews are of Ashkenazim ancestry from Eastern Europe. It was these Jews, according to tradition, that returned to Israel in the 20th century to forge the modern state of Israel that exists today. For 1,880 years the Jews were a people of sorrow--a people who had no home and who had 'lived in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of [their] life.' (Deuteronomy 28:66) Yet, with the promise of judgment, God also made an incredible promise to bring Israel back, as a people, to her homeland: '...the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it.' (Deuteronomy 30:3-5, bolding for emphasis)

The Khazar Jews are not Abraham's descendants

There is growing, irrefutable evidence, however, that the Crimean Khazars, whose kingdom extended over what is now the Ukraine to the Caspian Sea, officially converted to pure Mosaic Judaism in 861 under the rule of King Bulan. The Khazars do not appear to have been a people unto themselves, but rather a blend of many races resulting from the heavy trade that was going on at the time. The campaign of the Rus (Russian) Prince Svyatoslav of Kiev effectively broke the back of the Khazarian empire in 965 AD, although Khazar itself continued until at least 1030 AD. Under the growing persecution of Kiev Rus in the 11th and 12th century, the Khazars disappeared as a people. Nonetheless, there is overwhelming evidence that at least a portion of the Jewish Khazars fled to Eastern Europe and north into Poland and Lithuania.

Some people have taken this body of evidence and claim it proves that the Abraham Ashkenazim Eastern European Jews were of the Khazar bloodline, rather than the bloodline. In his book God's Covenant People, evangelist Ted R. Weiland cites mostly third party and circumstantial evidence in a convincing way to conclude the East European Jews were not Semites (blood descendants of of Shem and Abraham). 'Since they are not Semites, then today's Jews certainly can not be of Abraham's lineage because Abraham was a Semite...descended from Shem, the Son of Noah. Following the same line of reasoning, since today's Jews are not Semites, they can not be Israelites either because Jacob/Israel was also a Semite, a direct descendant of Shem through Abraham.' 1

Are the ten lost tribes of Israel the Celtic-Saxons that populated the US?

If today's Jews are not heirs to the Covenant promises to Abraham, then who is? Weiland believes it is the Celtic-Saxon races who populated England. He and others in this movement believe the Celtic-Saxon races are true descendants of the ten tribes of Israel who were assimilated during the Assyrian exile. Weiland provides no direct evidence for this conclusion because evidence of what happened to the ten tribes is even more scarce than what happened to the Khazar Jews. Most historians accept the melting pot theory that the captive ten tribes intermarried with other races, and having lost their identity as Israelites, migrated over the centuries to the southeast, north and northwest.

Those that believe modern Jews are not bloodline Israelites claim the descendants of the ten lost tribes migrated across the Caucasus Mountains through what is now the Ukraine and became the white (Caucasian) Celtic-Anglo Saxon Europeans. It was the British (Celtic-Saxon) that colonized the world, especially that of the United States. For the moment, let us say they did. Weiland then attempts to prove that the British colonization of the world with its Israelite/Celtic/Saxon blood linage, and especially that of the United States, fulfills the various prophecies dealing with the the future of Israel. 2 Therefore, God's real covenant people are white Europeans and the nation of Israel is the United States.

reply by
Palestonia
4/14/2002 (20:17)
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Palestonia lost all reasonning,at this point all I have to say kill the bastards.
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Seth Sims
4/14/2002 (20:25)
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Wait until Israel loses all reasoning.
reply by
Palesonia
4/14/2002 (21:06)
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you got that one right asswipe, Isreal will lose all
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4/14/2002 (22:50)
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Here is what I know ..
The problem that is facing Israel backers is not a new problem..( by Israel backers I mean old timers Zionists and the non Zionist but Ultra Right /evangelist wing of American society, A very small number of people indeed but very wealthy and connected .. mostly associated with Wall street ( Hence Enron and global crossing and so on) and Media as well as commission based businesses .
The problem is simply demographics.. and these people know a lot about it since they have done a wonderful job over the years in America forming special interest groups and indeed controlling entire elections.
Israel continuous occupation of west bank and non stop settlement building in the occupied territories (A task that was started after Oslo justified by having extra chips to bargain with) made it hard to maintain the illusion of democracy (the only difference between Israel and the late south Africa state) without giving those RESIDENTS in west bank the right to be an Israeli citizen.
Illusion of democracy is very important excuse for Pro Israelis to get the huge amount of monies they get from our tax money.
So assuming birth rates keep as they are in Palestinian and Israeli society . Arabs are actually going to be majority in Israel very soon. Not enough Jews from Russia or Ethiopia or south America are welling to come to Israel to restore that balance in Israel favor. Not even with all the money being offered.
THIS SAME EXACT SCENARIO .. according to history was responsible for the Jewish holocaust in Germany early last century.
It is a fact the final solution (killing the Jews) was not even discussed until Hitler annexation of Poland which meant he now had to deal with additional 6 million Jews under his rule. So you can see the dilemma . Hitler ideology was built on the racist concept of Arian blood being superior .. Just as each and every ideology justifying ZIONISM is built on Jewish race being entitled to Palestine. Actually Hitler position was more strong since it was only based on race .. with ZIONIST and right to ISRAEL .. The concept really changes according to who is talking … Ashkenazi’s ( Europe Jews or non Israelites) are not racially a part of the Jews who lived in Palestine 2000 years ago .. So there argument would be religious in tones not racial. Actually they are the ones responsible for formation of Israel .. And they did not let the Sephardim ( Real racial Jews) forget it neither. They are even discriminating against them in Israel society till today!
For Americans how ever (Pro Israel backers) New Pseudo Christian myths ( Judeo-Christian teachings) were fabricated just in time to give a solid bases for Israel Existence starting with calling the bible new testament and the torah old testament .. And for the secular .. A very weak post Nazi guilt argument that could work even today if you give it enough intimidation (Anti Semitic term were created for that).
The only common thread of all these arguments were the fact that it puts Arabs in an inferior position when it come to claim Israel . Which is in fact the only thing that is h9olding Israel together.( If Palestinians were to disappear actually Israel will no longer exist in its current form .. You would have civil war between Ashkenazi /Sephardim /secular/ Arabs).
Having established that Arabs are inferior.. NO ISRAELLI GOVERNMENT will allow Arabs to be majority in Israel!! I do believe that Israel has been trying to detach Palestinians and actually START A NEW STATE FOR THEM!! I know that for a fact ..
But then there is TWO problems… Water and strategic depth.
-Water.
Any semi educated investor on wall street knows that water is the next hot commodity .. It will probably exceed the value of oil in the near future.. And without the west bank water resources .. Israel will end up paying a large sums of money ( and our tax money too) to the newly formed Palestinian state in the near future.
For that the settlements is just a cover that allowed Israel to ACTUALLY CONFISCATE 85 % of water resources of west bank as of today!! This was and will be the actual deal breaker in barak’s offer to Arafat and in Clinton proposal which Arafat actually accepted!!
- Strategic depth
with over 200 nuclear heads and a free protection supplied by US army .. This is just a bargaining chip to be used wisely WHEN THE PRO ISRAEL BACKERS Finally get the remaining Arab governments to Accept Israel existence.

So every Israeli negotiator throughout the past and in the future knows that the water is the only deadline.. The rest could be negotiated.
And every Arab negotiator knows as well the right of return to Israel for Palestinians that were massacred into deportation starting 1948 WILL NEVER BE GRANTED since it negates the whole concept of Israel being religiously or racially superior to Arabs!
How ever .. The wild card here is that the majority of ISRAEL old arguments are now a thing of the past.. The SECULAR LIBRAL culture that rejects the entire idea of religion is too powerful in America as well as in Israel even. In America you get abortion and such and in Israel you get peace now activists.
With the collapse of south Africa regime and the soviet union .. Israel stands alone now as an ugly witness of some huge injustice that was done to those people who used to live in Palestine.
It was that realization that prompted Sharon and his backers to cut short the final touch of the water securing 9 years long struggle OSLO AGREEMENT.
He knew exactly what he was doing when he took the 1000 soldiers into that famous walk that started the second intifada and started the end of OSLO agreement.
Then September 11th came as a catalyst for his efforts .. The opportunity was too big to miss as the last chance Israel can TAKE the water in the theme of anti terror effort launched by bush.
Sharon does have an end game .. and that article in wall street is just a smoke screen ( No GENOCIDE WILL BE COMMITED HERE .. THE SECULAR LIBRAL FORCE WILL NOT LET IT) The actually Sharon end game is two of the 3 solutions..
1- Securing all us clients acceptance of Israel (he got that already in Beirut ).
2- Deporting Palestinians in west bank to Jordan ( Kind of very optimistic).
3- Neutralizing the entire Palestinian authority people and replacing them with easier to control crowd that would sign its water .. a big chunk of west bank away just to stay alive!
Any 2 of those 3 will be a happy ending for Sharon. And that is EXACTLY WHAT HE WILL SHOOT FOR IF HE GETS HIS INTERNATIONAL CONFRENCE.
Only when he has secured this goal .. Netanyahu would then step in the actually sign the agreement since by then Sharon will have way too much blood on his hand.
The only problem with this for us Americans is that we will have some of that blood too!!!! Assuming we do not lose the friendly governments in the area that is already costing us some additional 4 billion dollars a year on top of what we are giving Israel to bin laden!




















reply by
ozzie
4/15/2002 (1:00)
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All these racial & religious reasoons to steal another's land makes me sick. Hitler's sick believe that the German bloodline is superior (although his grandmother was Jewish) lead to his killing of everyone not considered of the bloodline (Jews and non Jews). Now, Israel of today believes (racially & religiously) that Jews are superior to gentiles and they are willing to kill all that stand in the way of their genocide plans!

So you see, Sharon is Hitler reincarnated. Their idiology is the same.
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Wisso
4/15/2002 (1:44)
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FUCK JEWS FUCK ISRAEl.. FUCK the US GOV. FUCK CNN, FUCK anyone who s with israel fuck AND everyone who do not agree with what i said!!

i cant wait til i put some jews in an oven and laugh at them suffering....one day it will happen belive me....whatever u do wrong..it always come back at you......!!!bake bake bake!!!
reply by
Seth Sims
4/15/2002 (8:56)
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Sick puppy
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Palestonia
4/15/2002 (23:36)
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Nice Puppy!!! I am with you Bake Baby Bake, hee ha