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topic by barb 4/14/2002 (21:39)

reply top ADL To Kofi Annan: Stop U.N.'s Use As Platform For Anti-Israel Propaganda New York, NY, April 11, 2002 … In a stern message delivered today to the Secretary General of the United Nations, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) expressed anger and frustration at how the world organization increasingly is being manipulated by those nations and entities with an anti-Israel agenda. 'It is greatly troubling that the United Nations is being used as a weapon in the anti-Israel propaganda war,' Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, said in the message delivered to U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan. 'Your comments lashing out at Israel for the humanitarian conditions in the West Bank have been counterproductive to the effort to restore calm to the region.' In the latest drive by Arab nations to hijack U.N. initiatives, the World Assembly on Aging in Madrid, a U.N.-sponsored conference devoted to issues affecting the world's elderly, was sidelined this week by Arab nations in an attempt to criticize Israel. Egypt insisted that the conference condemn Israel for attempts at 'genocide, subjugation and the daily agony that the Palestinians incur….' 'Need we point out that the conference did not raise the scores of elderly Israeli victims of Palestinian terrorism, including the 17 men and women over the age of 70 who were murdered in the Passover massacre in Netanya?' Mr. Foxman said. 'Where are the voices of conscience at the U.N. in the face of these outlandish attempts to derail the vital work of the U.N.?' Addressing Mr. Annan's recent remarks about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the League again called on the U.N. to stop issuing one-sided statements: 'The Palestinian refusal to end terrorist operations forced Israel to take steps to protect its citizens suffering under daily attacks. In focusing on Israeli action and not on efforts to encourage the Palestinians to end terrorism, the message to the Palestinian leadership is that their involvement in, and promotion of terrorism is accepted by the international community.'

reply by 4/14/2002 (22:48)

reply top Here is what I know .. The problem that is facing Israel backers is not a new problem..( by Israel backers I mean old timers Zionists and the non Zionist but Ultra Right /evangelist wing of American society, A very small number of people indeed but very wealthy and connected .. mostly associated with Wall street ( Hence Enron and global crossing and so on) and Media as well as commission based businesses . The problem is simply demographics.. and these people know a lot about it since they have done a wonderful job over the years in America forming special interest groups and indeed controlling entire elections. Israel continuous occupation of west bank and non stop settlement building in the occupied territories (A task that was started after Oslo justified by having extra chips to bargain with) made it hard to maintain the illusion of democracy (the only difference between Israel and the late south Africa state) without giving those RESIDENTS in west bank the right to be an Israeli citizen. Illusion of democracy is very important excuse for Pro Israelis to get the huge amount of monies they get from our tax money. So assuming birth rates keep as they are in Palestinian and Israeli society . Arabs are actually going to be majority in Israel very soon. Not enough Jews from Russia or Ethiopia or south America are welling to come to Israel to restore that balance in Israel favor. Not even with all the money being offered. THIS SAME EXACT SCENARIO .. according to history was responsible for the Jewish holocaust in Germany early last century. It is a fact the final solution (killing the Jews) was not even discussed until Hitler annexation of Poland which meant he now had to deal with additional 6 million Jews under his rule. So you can see the dilemma . Hitler ideology was built on the racist concept of Arian blood being superior .. Just as each and every ideology justifying ZIONISM is built on Jewish race being entitled to Palestine. Actually Hitler position was more strong since it was only based on race .. with ZIONIST and right to ISRAEL .. The concept really changes according to who is talking … Ashkenazi’s ( Europe Jews or non Israelites) are not racially a part of the Jews who lived in Palestine 2000 years ago .. So there argument would be religious in tones not racial. Actually they are the ones responsible for formation of Israel .. And they did not let the Sephardim ( Real racial Jews) forget it neither. They are even discriminating against them in Israel society till today! For Americans how ever (Pro Israel backers) New Pseudo Christian myths ( Judeo-Christian teachings) were fabricated just in time to give a solid bases for Israel Existence starting with calling the bible new testament and the torah old testament .. And for the secular .. A very weak post Nazi guilt argument that could work even today if you give it enough intimidation (Anti Semitic term were created for that). The only common thread of all these arguments were the fact that it puts Arabs in an inferior position when it come to claim Israel . Which is in fact the only thing that is h9olding Israel together.( If Palestinians were to disappear actually Israel will no longer exist in its current form .. You would have civil war between Ashkenazi /Sephardim /secular/ Arabs). Having established that Arabs are inferior.. NO ISRAELLI GOVERNMENT will allow Arabs to be majority in Israel!! I do believe that Israel has been trying to detach Palestinians and actually START A NEW STATE FOR THEM!! I know that for a fact .. But then there is TWO problems… Water and strategic depth. -Water. Any semi educated investor on wall street knows that water is the next hot commodity .. It will probably exceed the value of oil in the near future.. And without the west bank water resources .. Israel will end up paying a large sums of money ( and our tax money too) to the newly formed Palestinian state in the near future. For that the settlements is just a cover that allowed Israel to ACTUALLY CONFISCATE 85 % of water resources of west bank as of today!! This was and will be the actual deal breaker in barak’s offer to Arafat and in Clinton proposal which Arafat actually accepted!! - Strategic depth with over 200 nuclear heads and a free protection supplied by US army .. This is just a bargaining chip to be used wisely WHEN THE PRO ISRAEL BACKERS Finally get the remaining Arab governments to Accept Israel existence. So every Israeli negotiator throughout the past and in the future knows that the water is the only deadline.. The rest could be negotiated. And every Arab negotiator knows as well the right of return to Israel for Palestinians that were massacred into deportation starting 1948 WILL NEVER BE GRANTED since it negates the whole concept of Israel being religiously or racially superior to Arabs! How ever .. The wild card here is that the majority of ISRAEL old arguments are now a thing of the past.. The SECULAR LIBRAL culture that rejects the entire idea of religion is too powerful in America as well as in Israel even. In America you get abortion and such and in Israel you get peace now activists. With the collapse of south Africa regime and the soviet union .. Israel stands alone now as an ugly witness of some huge injustice that was done to those people who used to live in Palestine. It was that realization that prompted Sharon and his backers to cut short the final touch of the water securing 9 years long struggle OSLO AGREEMENT. He knew exactly what he was doing when he took the 1000 soldiers into that famous walk that started the second intifada and started the end of OSLO agreement. Then September 11th came as a catalyst for his efforts .. The opportunity was too big to miss as the last chance Israel can TAKE the water in the theme of anti terror effort launched by bush. Sharon does have an end game .. and that article in wall street is just a smoke screen ( No GENOCIDE WILL BE COMMITED HERE .. THE SECULAR LIBRAL FORCE WILL NOT LET IT) The actually Sharon end game is two of the 3 solutions.. 1- Securing all us clients acceptance of Israel (he got that already in Beirut ). 2- Deporting Palestinians in west bank to Jordan ( Kind of very optimistic). 3- Neutralizing the entire Palestinian authority people and replacing them with easier to control crowd that would sign its water .. a big chunk of west bank away just to stay alive! Any 2 of those 3 will be a happy ending for Sharon. And that is EXACTLY WHAT HE WILL SHOOT FOR IF HE GETS HIS INTERNATIONAL CONFRENCE. Only when he has secured this goal .. Netanyahu would then step in the actually sign the agreement since by then Sharon will have way too much blood on his hand. The only problem with this for us Americans is that we will have some of that blood too!!!! Assuming we do not lose the friendly governments in the area that is already costing us some additional 4 billion dollars a year on top of what we are giving Israel to bin laden!

reply by TheAZCowBoy 4/14/2002 (23:43)

reply top Message to Barb: Gee Barb, you wrote me today and complained you had been kicked off this site. I breath a sigh of relief and suddenly 'whoa' here you are again(?). To the 'Nazi's' you address this message? Do you mean the Jewish Nazi's on this site or the LIKUDNIK JewZies in the Israeli Knesset? You, like many fat & sassy American's are first to support Israeli STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM, APARTHEID, RACISM, BIGOTRY, EXTRA-JUDICIAL ASSASSINATIONS ( i.e. murder ) and even HUMAN BONDAGE and this irks me ( and many others also ) because if you had some bearded zealot come over to your pad at 2:00 AM with a bull dozer and a squad of IDF thugs to demolish your home ( with you still in it! ) I am sure you would scream to high heaven. And If these same thugs turned off your precious water and re-routed it to their 'illegal' Settlement being simultaneously built on your back 40, well, there goes Barb again screaming to high heaven. Maybe you would even dial 911 and ask for the US Marines, huh? But because the current Middle Eastern crisis is not on your turf, but on the downtrodden Palestinian people's turf who have been resisting Jewish occupation and the Settler colonizers for 35 years now--what the heck--people like you show the empathy of a piranha for a one armed swimmer in some Amazon jungle river, huh? I say, shame on you and your ilk Barb and that includes the Seth's and the JC's on this site also. Thiefs, claims jumpers, horse/cattle rustlers, killers and thugs have been strung up here in the 'wild' West ( Arizona ) for decades now and no one ever complains :( except when we make one of our 'innocent' mistakes, hehehe, BTW: ever visit Tombstone, Arizona's BOOT HILL cemetary? :) which is not often, I assure you. Well, I guess we can't do anything about your return to MER, but we can ask you to be 'nice' and remember what they say about 'paybacks' so everytime you see a bunch of screaming, cussing, arrogant incorrigibles full of bullet holes and rusty nails just think: 'They're paying for Sharon's war crimes,' and then you will feel a lot better inside knowing that JUSTICE IS WELL SERVED WHEN THUGS AND KILLERS ( including their loved ones ) feel the hot sting of JUSTICE! Welcome back Barb! TheAZCowBoy, PS: To the MER people: 'Maybe you're being too kind, huh?' Psst if she even begins to behave like an arrogant incorrigible again: PLEASE CAN HER!

reply by barb 4/14/2002 (24:35)

reply top Well, it must have been a fluke, because I can post again! Must've been maintenance time on the website or something! Anyway, AZ, your postings used to be halfway intelligent, but I CRINGE when I read them now because it seems all you want to do is rant and rave your hatred! I think perhaps deep down you are a decent person but hatred has taken ahold.