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carol
4/16/2002 (17:51)
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Can someone tell me who does the lowly jobs in Israel.

And can non-jews living in Israel vote? And if they can't...is there something they can do so that they can vote?
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Oh Barb
4/16/2002 (18:05)
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My understanding is that a lot of such jobs were performed by the palestinians.

I think that the current arab citizens can vote but the Israeli govenrment wants to move to take away that right in the future because they fear that with a rising population within Israel, Arabs will start to wield increased influence in the elections.

When a democracy restricts who can live that democracy based on religion, can it realy continue to be a democracy? Israel is a country formed on the basis of religion and the people in Israel want there to be only jews in Israel. That is some democracy. This is even more amazing considering that this is supported by the jews who themselves live in secular democracies like the US. If the US were to apply the same conditions on who could be its citizens, the Atlantic and the Pacific would really be the only options remaining for these guys.
reply by
truth
4/16/2002 (18:07)
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http://www.acri.org.il/english-acri/engine/story.asp?id=15
Voting Rights for Bedouin in Unrecognized Settlements
ACRI appealed to the Supreme Court on behalf of several hundred Bedouin living in unrecognized settlements within the jurisdiction of the B’nei Shimon Regional Council who were not included in the electoral register of the Regional Council. Because they were not registered, these Bedouin citizens were not able to participate in the May 1999 elections. As a result of ACRI’s petition, the Court demanded that the Ministry of Interior address the issue, although it would be too late to make changes for the May 1999 elections.

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Residency Rights for Bedouin Tribe




ACRI has petitioned the Supreme Court on behalf of the Azazma Bedouin Tribe of the Negev against the Government which wants to evict the tribe from its present location. When the Government originally moved the tribe to its present location, it promised that members would be able to build permanent housing on the site. Currently the tribe’s site is an unrecognized locality, which severely limits members’ access to health care and education, and the tribe is facing a second eviction. The case is pending.
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http://www.mediamonitors.net/leonard9.html

No Place Like Homeland



by John-Paul Leonard

Decades of failed Near-East negotiations all started out from one unproven premise - that Palestine must be split into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.

The remedy is proving worse than the disease. Could both parties achieve their political aims and still be better off within a federation?
To analyze this, we have to go back to the dilemma of Zionism - it had several goals, each in sharp conflict with the others:

1. to establish a new state where Jews will always be safely in the majority.

2. to do this by colonizing a heavily populated, mainly Muslim and Christian country

3. to make it a big enough state to encompass sensitive Jerusalem, even though the Jews are not strong in numbers

4. to make the state a democratic, open society

Despite the most energetic military and public relations offensives Israel can muster, these internal contradictions are just too extreme to sustain indefinitely.

The current sticking point is the right of return. Israel itself was founded on this very idea - the right of all Jews to 'return', after going on 100 generations, and even if they are not ethnic Hebrews. Can Israel be a democracy and deny this right to refugees who are still alive and waiting in camps after two generations? It cannot afford reparations, either - Israel’s economy is far smaller than Germany’s.

Looking closer at the above Zionist objectives, however, a modus vivendi becomes visible.

1. The conflict between a Jewish majority and the Arabs’ right of return can be solved, because residence and voting rights are two separate issues. The refugees could return to their home villages in 'Israel', if their votes were counted in another part of the federation.

3. Demographically, Jews will always be in the minority over the whole country. The most advantage compromise between 1) and 3) is for them to leverage their voting power in a three-state solution: one, the ethnically Jewish coastal area, 'Israel'; two, the remaining Arab 'Palestine'; and three, an ethnically-mixed buffer state in the middle - perhaps call it 'Canaan'. It would include Jerusalem and Aqaba, and physically separate the Jewish and Arab states.

The three states ought to be roughly equal in size and population. This would make the Jewish state smaller than today’s Israel, thereby ensuring a permanent Jewish majority. On the other hand, the entire country and especially the central region would be very much in Israel’s political and economic sphere of influence.

The federation should have a special constitution aimed to provide stability through careful checks and balances, in spite of ethnic tension and diversity. Here are some ideas on that:

Permanent residence rights: Every citizen gets this right where they now live, or in the state of their ethnic group. Arab returnees and Jewish refugees from Arab countries get this right anywhere in the federation. (But many will prefer to stay close to their ethnic group.)

Voting rights (citizenship)

Votes of persons not now residing in the other ethnic state, who later take up residence there, whether as returnees or otherwise, would count in their own ethnic state, or in the middle state. (Special rules could be agreed for descendants of parents of different citizenship status.)

Travel rights. Any federal citizen may travel between the middle state and their state of residence or citizenship without undue formalities or visas.

New immigrants (i.e., not returnees). The rules for admitting immigrants, and the right of citizens to move to another state, could be decided by each state, or agreed by a convention between the states.

Capital city: to be Jerusalem for the federal republic and the middle state, administration of the ethnic states could be at Tel Aviv and Ramallah.

Old City of Jerusalem - religious sites. Should be administered by a religious council with 40% Muslim, 40% Jewish and 20% Christian seats. Simple majority of all three religions required to pass decisions.

Federal structures

Bicameral legislature. Lower house by popular vote. Seats in upper house apportioned one third to each state, requiring a simple majority of delegates from each state to pass laws.

Military and security - initially on basis of cooperation between states.

A constitutional law against racism.

Such a federation will achieve Ben Gurion’s objective, to establish permanent peace and security based on acceptance of Israel by its Arab neighbors. The peace dividend could be enormous, helping Israelis to invest profitably in their own or neighboring states of the republic.

This proposal embodies a huge concession on the part of the Palestinians: loss of citizenship in the land of their fathers, and a permanent acceptance of its takeover by foreigners.

For Israelis, it obviously means a total re-think. Yet I hope it is an idea whose time has come, if it is not already way overdue. Too much more delay, and the fate of South African racism and apartheid could overtake Israel, too.

An Arab Saying 'I order you to assist any oppressed person, whether they are Muslim or not.' Muhammad

Mr. John-Paul Leonard is a free-lance writer and a regular contributor to Media Monitors Network (MMN)

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reply by
TheAZCowBoy
4/16/2002 (19:14)
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Re: THE BIG JEWISH LIE!

Ta-da! Israel the Democracy!

A nation with no CONSTITUTION, no BILL OF RIGHTS and no BORDER'S can hardly define itself as a Democracy or that absured ( not so often mentioned anymore ) 'Light unto the nations,' ( vomit ).

If you compare Israel to the old Apartheid nation of South Africa you might get a healthy blip on your racist radar screen.

The Israeli-Arabs can tell us much about Israeli democracy ( small 'd' ). they languish in a netherland of racism, prejudice and 2nd class citizenship--their children go to mediocre schools and when killer Sharon went to Temple Mount ( with 2,000 heavily armed IDF'ers ) he wasn't exercising his right to visit a religious temple. I mean, what does an atheist thug do at a religious temple? ( polish the brass? ).

The Israeli-Arabs that protested the murder of Palestinian's by the IDF at Temple Mount were beaten to a pulp by the IDF thugs and 18 Arab/Israeli Arab's were shot to death---an Arab Knesset member had his home burned down as the Israeli police and IDF soldiers looked on if you remember.

So much for this so-called Israeli democracy Barb. ( you still around, LOL! ) You might as well say that Melosevic's magic kingdom of horrors was also a democracy. ( If DIM BULM had been on the throne at the time, I seriously believe that he would have given the Serb's F-16's and Apache helicopter gunships loaded with hellfire/TOW antitank missiles to defend themselves against the Muslim 'terrorists' of Kosovo! ).

TheAZCowBoy,
reply by
j,r, gahi
4/16/2002 (22:36)
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Israelis look down their noses at anyone who does manual labor....They want slave labor to do that. that's why they want to maintain the Palestiian population to to do that . And they have a demographic control program to keep the Palestinian population to less than 15 %....The rest will have their homes demolished and their lives made miserable in order for the Palestinians 'to get the message and leave.'...Meanwhile A.S.S haron wants an additional ONE MILLION Jews from Russia, France, South Africa, & Argentinia.... iap.org ...
reply by
ozzie
4/16/2002 (22:45)
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Can't trust ZIONAZIS, period!
reply by
Wisso
4/17/2002 (15:03)
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Solution: Jihad on them jews!!!