Re: Jenin, Israel to the UN, well if we can't control the facts--4get it, we won't cooperate!
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TheAZCowBoy
4/24/2002 (12:51)
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Re: Israel has a change of heart and now sez they will not cooperate with the UN Human Rights Commission investigation into its CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY committed at Jenin.

Well, it could have been expected. The LIKUDNIK thugs have decided not to cooperate with the US fact finding committee regarding their massacre at Jenin because they will not have 'full control' of the facts.

Look for the US to pull out its well worn 'veto' in defense of Jewish thuggery and STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM.

It's no wonder that after being 'booted' out of the UN Human Rights Commission, the US has not appealed the decision.

It's unfortunate that when you are the local 800 lb. gorilla justice has no place in your life.

theAZCowBoy,
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Spotted Dick
4/24/2002 (12:59)
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Whether or not the United Nations fact-finding commission succeeds in dispelling the dense clouds of suspicion over the IDF offensive in the Jenin refugee camp, it is almost certain to bolster the one Israeli consensus that Ariel Sharon can count on: the sense among Israelis of all stripes that the world is against them.

In an abrupt about-face as a host of foreign diplomats descended on the embattled Holy Land, Israel told UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan that it may withhold cooperation from a fact-finding panel over IDF operations in Jenin, fearing that its results are doomed to be pro-Palestinian and may only add to waves of world protest against Israel.

Sharon set new terms late Tuesday for the commission's work, saying that it must also look into the terrorism that sparked the offensive, and the militant organizations that used the Jenin camp as a launching pad for dozens of suicide bombings.

Stung by Palestinian charges - echoed by foreign media and diplomats over blanket denials by Israel - that its soldiers carried out summary executions and massacres in battling militants in the camp, Israelis who have often taken issue with Sharon's hardline policies said Wednesday that it was time that the world felt compassion for the hundreds of Jews killed in Palestinian terror operations.

'We wanted the [UN] committee to come, because we have nothing to hide,' said Defense Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, chairman of Sharon's increasingly uneasy coalition partner, the center-left Labor.

'All the facts are on the table,' Ben-Eliezer said, adding that when the UN delegates do arrive they must also investigate 'what happened in the massacre at the Dolphinarium' - the seaside Tel Aviv disco where more than a score of young Israelis were killed in a suicide bombing last year.

'We're asking tough questions and... we've said: Enough,' Ben-Eliezer continued. 'In the last month alone, 137 people were slaughtered [by Palestinians], and nearly 700 were wounded. Is there anyone that's investigating that?'

Likud cabinet minister Danny Naveh, a close associate of former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu - expected to challenge Sharon for the Likud mantle in elections slated for next year - said Israel should never have agreed to allow the UN delegation in the first place.

'I very much fear that a precedent has been set that will be very dangerous, very bad for Israel,' Naveh said. 'Israel had only one alternative in the face of this possibility, and that was simply to say 'No' and make a much greater effort to persuade the American administration to veto this decision.'

Palestinians cited the Israeli reservations over the UN commission as proof that the Jewish state was engaged in a cover-up of major proportions.

But Israelis, inundated with reports of resurgent world anti-Semitism and protests equating the IDF with the Nazi forces that wiped out European Jewry in the genocide of the World War II Holocaust, had little patience for the criticism, or for the fact-finding panel.

'From our point of view the whole thing is a set-up for Israel,' said Gideon Meir, a normally mild-mannered Foreign Ministry official charged with Israel's public relations effort. 'Everything is against Israel here. What about the terror attacks?'

The issue has only added to the sense among Israelis that they cannot expect a fair shake from the world, remarks Ha'aretz commentator Gideon Samet. 'If there is a sense among anti-Semites that there is an international Jewish conspiracy, there's something of a parallel feeling among Israelis of an international goyish [gentile] conspiracy, the sense that the whole world is against them.'

The sense was compounded by such elements as statements by former Labor prime minister Ehud Barak cautioning Israelis against expecting any peace deals with the Palestinians in the forseeable future. According to Samet, the sense of despair has tended to bolster Sharon in his demonstrated predilection for defying international and White House pressure. 'It has become a national malaise,' Samet says.

This was the second time this month that Ariel Sharon has tendered a possible veto on hands-on international involvement in the crisis in the territories, coming a few weeks after the prime minister enraged EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana by quashing a planned visit with Yasser Arafat in what remains of the Palestinian leader's Ramallah stronghold.

Reversing his field once again, Sharon this week gave Solana and EU Middle East envoy Miguel Moratinos the go-ahead for a meeting with Arafat on Wednesday. At the same time, capping a week of unexpected diplomatic moves, the foreign ministers of historical arch-enemies Greece and Turkey were to join forces for visits to Ramallah and Jerusalem on Thursday.

Sharon was seen as likely to relent on the UN fact-finding mission as well, after Annan indicated that the committee would be expanded to include retired U.S. general Bill Nash to aid the panel in evaluating the IDF operations as a function of the heavy resistance encountered by Israeli troops in the camp. Israel's UN ambassador Yehuda Lankry indicated Wednesday that a compromise was in the works, wherein the commission would take into account the activities of militants in the camp before and during the IDF assault.

No matter the commission's eventual findings, however, President Moshe Katsav offered little hope for a change in Israel's favor. 'It's high time the international community stopped speaking with double standards,' a piqued Katsav said Wednesday. 'With all due respect and esteem for people of conscience and the bleeding-heart liberals of the world, I don't understand why they've clamped their mouths shut for a year and a half while the cruelest of unprecedented terrorist acts were committed against Israelis citizens everywhere.'

At the same time, 'Palestinian militants commandeer the Church of the Nativity [in Bethlehem], defile it, do harm to its sanctity, and the world is silent. The world is silent while the Palestinians turned mosques into arms dumps. They lynch [suspected collaborators with Israel] in Hebron, Ramallah and in Hebron in the most brutal and primitive manner, and no one utters a word,' Katsav said. 'After all that, we won't accept being the ones to have the mark of Cain on our brows, because our hands are clean.'


























reply by
Clare
4/24/2002 (13:16)
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You will never ever be a moderator ding-dong. You think you can keep folks from reading your wicked words?

I don't think so.
Soon everyone will know exactly how you feel about the murder of little children.

Sicko.
reply by
truth
4/24/2002 (13:44)
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Terje Larsen, the UN Special Envoy to the Middle East, has apparently decided to add a new line to his resume. Touring the Jenin refugee camp last week after Israel withdrew its forces from the area, the former Norwegian politician summarily granted himself a unique, and far loftier, title: the self-appointed arbiter of all that is good and moral in the world.

Feigning righteous indignation as only a European diplomat knows how, Larsen pronounced his verdict on the Jewish state without hesitation: 'Israel has lost all moral ground in this conflict', he said, as if defending Jewish lives against Palestinian terror was somehow an act of depravity on Israel's part.

The apparent cause of Larsen's fury was the fact that those pesky Israelis decided to act against the hundreds of armed Palestinian terrorists who were roaming about freely in Jenin while plotting the murder of innocent Jews. That 28 of the Palestinian suicide bombings carried out in the past 18 months originated in Jenin did not appear to move Larsen one iota. Israel, he seems to feel, simply has no right to defend itself.

Given that he receives his monthly paycheck from the UN, it is hardly surprising that Larsen applies a twisted moral calculus when it comes to the Jewish state. After all, the UN is not exactly known for maintaining even-handedness in the Israeli-Arab dispute.

Indeed, just two weeks ago, the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva endorsed a 1982 UN resolution affirming the legitimacy of using 'all available means, including armed struggle' against Israel's 'occupation.' In other words, the UN's guardians of morality apparently view the Palestinian use of terror as equivalent to the exercise of a basic, fundamental human freedom, right up there alongside free speech. And they call us immoral?

As a former Norwegian cabinet minister, Larsen should also be aware that neither he nor his country are in any position to preach to Israel about ethical behavior. Just six decades ago, the Norwegian government, headed by Nazi collaborator Vidkun Quisling, passed anti-Jewish legislation and confiscated Jewish property. Though the Norwegian resistance succeeded in saving many Jews, the Norwegian authorities played an active part in their deportation and death. Norway's police rounded up hundreds of Jews, turning them over directly to the Nazis, who murdered nearly all of them in concentration camps.

On December 10, 1942, the head of the Norwegian State Police, Karl Martinsen, went so far as to circulate a memo to all of Norway's district police chiefs in which he ordered them to ensure that no Jews remained within their jurisdiction. The order was carried out, and shortly thereafter, another batch of Jews was sent to the gas chambers.

After the war, Norwegian police involved in the round-ups of Jews were not prosecuted for their actions, and it was only in 1996, under the glare of international pressure, that Norway finally agreed to establish a commission to examine the restitution of Jewish property seized during the Holocaust.

Thus, before Larsen - whose wife serves as Norway's ambassador to Israel - decides to lecture others about morality, he might do well to consider his own country's record.

Needless to say, Larsen's latest outburst is hardly the first time he has made controversial remarks. Just a month ago, at a March 13 press conference in Jerusalem, Larsen appeared to equate Palestinian suicide bombings with Israel's 'occupation' when he said, 'We stand foursquare against the suicide bombings… and foursquare for Palestinian rights and against occupation'.

In September 2001, Larsen accused Israel of 'devastating' the Palestinian economy and lambasted it for imposing 'draconian' security measures. He even berated Israel for imposing a closure on Palestinian cities to prevent terrorist attacks, saying that such a policy 'makes innocent people suffer.'

As one of the key people behind the launch of the Oslo process, Larsen has long considered Yasser Arafat to be a close personal friend. 'Arafat and I talk about everything, not just politics and economics. We discuss life, food and love', he mused to the Jerusalem Post in March 1995. Isn't that sweet.

Given Larsen's record, the government is to be congratulated for declining to accept him as part of a UN fact-finding mission. His refusal to acknowledge the extraordinary measures Israel took to minimize civilian casualties in Jenin, and his failure to lay the blame at the feet of the Palestinians for using civilians as human shields, betray his bias against the Jewish state.

Larsen's behavior last week in Jenin was nothing less than an act of 'Larseny', robbing the truth of its meaning and distorting what occurred. He has blackened Israel's image and effectively joined the Palestinian propaganda team.

Whether the UN views such a person as worthy of representing it in the region is something for Secretary-General Kofi Annan to decide. But he shouldn't be surprised if most Israelis turn away and refuse to work with him. After all, we know an adversary when we see one.
reply by
truth
4/24/2002 (14:10)
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While trying to clear the way for UN fact-finders, US Secretary of State Colin Powell told Congress today he has no evidence of an Israeli massacre of Palestinians at the Jenin refugee camp on the West Bank.

'Clearly, innocent lives may well have been lost,' Powell testified. But, he said, 'I have no evidence of mass graves. I see no evidence that would support a massacre took place.'

Powell said he based his assessment on a 3 1/2-hour inspection of the refugee camp Friday by Assistant Secretary of State William Burns.

Burns subsequently reported a mass destruction by Israeli troops, who invaded the camp in the search for terrorists and explosives.

Powell said he spoke to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon by phone Tuesday night and also to UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, trying to clear the way for a fact-finding commission.

reply by
TheAZCowBoy
4/24/2002 (17:40)
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I always wonder what Jews mean when they talk about 'innocent Jewish lives lost.'

Here in Arizona, all horse/cattle rustlers, trespassers, claims jumpers and thiefs were summarily hung and there never was a 'peep' or objection by anyone.

Ever visit 'Boot Hill' here in Tombstone, Arizona? The tombstones tell the story quite well.

Seems to me that the Jewish Settler viper's should be 'shot on sight' and their 'illegal' Settlements demolished much as Palestinian's have their homes demolished by the Jewish occupiers 'on their own land!'

I think the Zionists have worn out their Holocaust and their faded photos of the survivors. Let's tear down them Holocaust Industries and their BS memorials and send Nobel Prize laureate Elie whats-his-face back to Germany to stand trial for defamation of character and fraud!

No more reparations for the parasites--the statute of limitations has expired---or Sharon has a date at the Hague based on the findings in Brussels.

TAC,