Mormon 1 Islam 0
All Posts post a reply | post a new topic

AuthorTopic: Mormon 1 Islam 0
topic by
Joe Smith
4/25/2002 (16:03)
 reply top
ISLAM: ANOTHER GOD? ANOTHER GOSPEL?
by Ed Decker
A while back I was speaking at a State University in Utah and made the statement that Mormonism was 'the American Islam.' I drew a comparison between the claims of Mohammed and Joseph Smith, the Koran and the Book of Mormon. During the Question and Answer time, I faced a number of very agitated Muslims. In fact, the Muslim interaction all but overshadowed the dialogue on Mormonism. The next day, I met with two Muslim leaders and began a series of contacts that forced me to take a deep look at its history, its tenets of belief and its comparisons to orthodox Christianity.

Today, there are over 7,000,000 Muslims in the United States alone. That's more than all the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists combined. An extremely militant proselytizing program is under way in many major cities and in every State university I have visited. The Muslims are going to make the Mormon missionary effort look pale in comparison. As orthodox Christians, we are going to have to be ready to deal with what I believe may be the most aggressive attack on Christianity in its history.

Let's take a look at the faith of Mohammed. When he was born in Mecca in 570 AD, the black Kaaba Stone was the religious center of all Arabia. In Mohammed's day, 365 idols were worshipped there, standing in the great courtyard. One of those deities was called Allah and was the god of the Quarish tribe, of which Mohammed was a member. When the Quarish tribe took control of Mecca, all the idols except Allah, the idol of their tribe, were destroyed.

The Koran Tells us that Mohammed drove the other idols away; his god was now the only god and he was its messenger. But he kept the Kaaba as a holy, sacred place and confirmed that the black stone had the power to take away man's sins. He obligated every believer to make a pilgrimage to the stone at least once in his lifetime. (Sura 22:26-37)

THE SIX BELIEFS OF ISLAM
God: There is one true God, named Allah.

Angels: They are the servants of God, through whom he reveals his will. The greatest angel is Gabriel who appeared to Mohammed. Everyone has two 'recording angels': one to record their good deeds, the other to record their bad deeds.

The Prophets: Allah has spoken through many prophets, but the final and greatest of these is Mohammed. Other prophets include Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

The Holy Books: The Koran or Quran is the holiest book of Islam, believed to be Allah's final revelation to man and it supersedes all previous revelations, including the Bible. It contains Allah's word as passed on orally to Mohammed by Gabriel. It contains 114 chapters or Suras. Muslims also recognize the Law of Moses, the Psalms and the gospels but consider them to be badly corrupted.

The Day of Judgment: A terrible day on which each person's good and bad deeds will be balanced to determine his fate.

The Decree of God: Allah ordains the fate of all. Muslims are fatalistic. 'If Allah, wills it', is the comment of a devout Muslim on almost every situation or decision he faces.

THE FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM
Affirmation: 'There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger' which is recited constantly by devout Muslims.

The Fast: Faithful Muslims fast from dawn to dusk every day during the ninth month of the Islamic calender, Ramadan, which is sacred.

Almsgiving: A worthy Muslim must give 2.5% of his income to the poor.

Prayer: Muslims are required to pray five times a day, kneeling and facing Mecca.

The Pilgrimage: Muslims are expected to journey to Mecca at least once in their lifetime.

IS ISLAM ANOTHER GOSPEL?
Islam teaches that God is so far above man in every way that he is virtually unknowable. He will send individuals to Paradise or Hell as he chooses.

Islam teaches that Jesus was a messenger of God, not the son of God. Muslims deny the He is Almighty God come in the flesh. (John 1:1-14, I John 4:1,2). They deny that He is divine. (Col 2:9) They deny that He died on the Cross for our sins (Most believe the Judas died in his place). They deny that He rose from the dead. (Matt 26: 28, John 19:20) They deny that He is the final, conclusive revelation of God. (Heb. 1: 1-2)

IS ALLAH ANOTHER GOD?
Is this stone idol the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Just because Mohammed said so doesn't make it so! Allah chose Hagar and her son, Ismael for his covenant. The God of the Bible chose Abraham's other son, Isaac, as heir to His covenant. (Gen 21: 12, 22:2-18)

Allah is an impersonal being, impossible to approach or comprehend. The Bible's God befriends men like Abraham (Is. 41:8) and talks with them (Gen 18:23ff)! He loved us so much He sent His only begotten Son to die for us! (John 3:16)

Allah is a god of fear and terrorism that commands destruction upon those who refuse to convert to Islam. The Bible's God delights to show His boundless mercy. His gospel is the 'Good News' of peace and forgiveness.

Allah requires total obedience to Islam and weighs the works of people. Allah and the Koran relegate Jesus to just the last prophet before Mohammed, below his authority. Jesus was not the Way, and could only point the way to Mohammed. The Bible's God can only be reached through Jesus Christ and trust in Him is the only way to Heaven. (John 14:6).

Allah required the works of Mohammed to complete his words of judgment to man. The God Of The Bible sent His son who did the finished work of grace for man. (John 19:30)

In the light of Allah's actual origin and his radical difference from the God of the Bible, we must conclude that Allah is not God. Nor is the name, Allah, a generic MidEast name for God, as even many Christians think. Allah is the name of a false god who can not save anyone from anything. Rather, through his false prophet, Mohammed, he continues to lead hundreds of millions into eternal darkness.
reply by
truth
4/25/2002 (16:52)
 reply top
An answer from a Muslim:-

I know it is kind of idiotic to debate a 'joe smith' but I will..
-The name of the idol in the kaba in that story .. was NOT ALLAH..
his name were 'ELLAT' which was a part of a DUO called “ELLAT wal OZZA” the reason i know this is because I actually went through the trouble of studying my religion on top of all other religions I came across before CHOOSING ISLAM.
Ellat was one of most feared idols in that time frame and it was THE FIRST to be broken to pieces upon victory of Mohammed (puh) and his followers over Mecca residents who killed and tortured them and expelled them to madeena .!

- ALLAH is Arabic for GOD .. period. no more meaning in Arabic tongue beside that one.
-The act of Mohammed (puh) in the kaba that day prevented a nasty civil war that would have erupted over the entire Arab peninsula over which tribe would have the glory of moving the black stone ( believed to be a part of original adam's and eve's heaven ) into the house of god (kaba) which was built by Abraham ( Same Abraham of the Israelites) and his son Ishmael.
- in this poisonous post .... it said:-
' The Prophets: Allah has spoken through many prophets, but the final and greatest of these is Mohammed. Other prophets include Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus.'
Not true .. since Muslims believe that Jesus was not KILLED but ELEVATED to heaven just like it says in the KORAN where he is alive and well and will come back towards the end of days and will fight the anti-Christ.! So the last prophet on earth will be Jesus not Mohammed! The last message how ever (faith) is ISLAM which as Muslims believe is the same message over and over like Judaism and Christianity just a later version ( 600 years after Jesus) a more COMPLETE and INTERNATIONAL message not limited to Israelites like Judaism for example.
- it also said ' The Holy Books: The Koran or kuran is the holiest book of Islam,'
WRONG AGAIN .. Koran is THE ONLY BOOK IN SLAM.
-said also 'The Decree of God: Allah ordains the fate of all. Muslims are fatalistic. 'If Allah, wills it', is the comment of a devout Muslim on almost every situation or decision he faces. '
AHAA but wait .. just because god almighty have KNOWLEDGE of all our choices to come .. does not relieve us from the responsibility for them... His divine knowledge is a given just like his justice.
- said also 'Muslims also recognize the Law of Moses, the Psalms and the gospels but consider them to be badly corrupted. ' Actually only the Talmud was rewritten ... the bibles are not complete because of all the bibles that the Vatican censored after the trinity inception!!
The rest of that article is a complete fiction based on assuming Allah almighty to be a statue ( which says that the writer never been to a muslim home or read a muslim book in his/her life).

This post over all is a classic anti Islam post mistakes in this Zionist propaganda campaign against the Islamic faith:- but it has 2 mistakes:
1- Joe smith as a poster nick name is kind of idiotic.
2- The lie is easy to defend.
When you decide to create a piece of propaganda sure you can get a historical story and then insert one lie into it and reach a conclusion based on that lie being hidden inside the story.. but your mistake is choosing such a well established story ( the stone and kaba) and choosing a lie that is TOO EASY TO DEFEND.. every Muslim knows that idolism is the worst sin you can do. ALL 1.2 MUSLIMS know that. Not just sheiks.
__If I was helping you come up with ways to attack the religion I would really suggest you stick to attack Muslims not Islam .. you will have much better luck. And it will be harder to defend. You see they are humans too .. not divine


reply by
Who is Joseph Smith?
4/25/2002 (17:11)
 reply top
God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the
children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be mouth for me; and if you don't like it, you must lump it.
-- History of the Church


You can call them members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, LDSers, Saints, or simply Mormons. No matter what name you use to refer to them, they belong to the religion founded by Joseph Smith in 1830. It was Smith, chosen by God to be a 'latter-day saint' and as true a prophet as any named in the Bible, who gave us the preceding quote. He served as the first Church President, otherwise known as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator.
reply by
truth
4/25/2002 (17:16)
 reply top
Does any one read the bible??
Does the word false massiahs ring a bell ??
How could you think that a faith with so many churches have the execlusivity on GOD. ???
If your basis for beleif is condemning every one else .. chances are you are wrong your self.
reply by
DJFLux
4/27/2002 (11:58)
 reply top
Personally I believe that Jospeh Smith was a con artist in his day...plain and simple, it's weak minded people that gave him a name and a book that's virtually an infringment of other ideas...and it made many to follow.

My two cents of the topic.