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John Calvin
5/3/2002 (7:01)
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5/2/2002 (22:36)
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Just for my sanity john .. I thought you were a pagan socialist based on your posts .. Are you a muslim ?? and If not how much research you had to do to realize the actuall islamic law of marriage ??? I would love an answer.

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The answer
5/3/2002 (2:14)
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John Calvin, or the guy who has assumed this alias, is obviously a muslim. One only has to check out his/her postings. A name like JC allows him to blend with the unsuspecting christians on MER who think he is one of them.
If he did reveal his true identity (like a muslim alias) he probably thinks that people will not take him as seriously and he might start to get many more hostile responses. I commend Wisso for not pretending to be someone he is not (and hiding behind a christian-sounding alias)

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John Calvin
5/3/2002 (6:58)
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'The Laws of Marriage and Divource in Islam' by Maulana Abul A'Ala Maudoodi, translated by Prof. Fazl Ahmed, Islamic Book Publishers, Safat, Kuwait.

Definately a 'progressive' , contemporary. 'reformist' view.

'Fundamentals of Islamic Thought' by Mutahhari. Mizan Press Berkeley

Islam and Revolution by Imam Khomeini, translated by Hamid Alger, Mizan Press

etc.

The complete works of John Calvin are available of CD-ROM Ages Software P.O. Box 1926 Albany Oregon, 97321-0509

It's only natural that when someone studies suich matters in a serious fashion alot of the blockheads that waste everyone's time on sites like this will come up with some absurd explanation like 'he must be a Muslim, disguising his true identity to decieve us'.

THe currents of anti-intellectualism in America today are truly amazing, and almost completely unselfconscious.

That's why I said earlier about 'Red-Blooded American': such people actrually give rednecks a underserved, bad reputation since some of the greatest American social, political and philosophical reformers and literary greats weree of Scotch-Irish ancestory.



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*** Radical Truth...
5/3/2002 (7:26)
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carol
5/3/2002 (8:26)
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And that would be the other side of my blood. But I bet you don't want to believe that.
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John Calvin
5/3/2002 (9:43)
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Why wouldn't I? The term 'redneck' was coined in the late 16th century ( 1500's) in reference to people inhabiting the Borderlands between England and Scotland, a particularely lawless region of the British Isles owing chiefly to centuries of conflict and war. Many of these Border peoples were the first to take up King James offer and settle in Northern Ireland at the beginning of the 16th century- although it must be recognized that the Scots themselves first arrived in their present home from Ireland nearly a thousand years before that. A very large proportion of the earliest European settlers in North America beginning in the mid 17th century but culminating in mass migrations during the mniddle and towards the end of the 18th century were from Scotland and Northern Ireland. Most of these immigrants moved directly onto the frontier, contesting a 'dark and bloody ground' with the natives, despite restrictions technically imposed by the colonial governments and, later, by the new Republic.

Certainly, their history in this country often makes a very nasty picture. Many had no doubts that 'the only good Indian is a dead Indian', many were slaveholders. There religion was often extremely narrow and intolerant, their business strictly philistine. But the red neck tradition is like any other cultural tradition in history and contemporary society: having condemnable as well as redeeming aspects. As I mentioned, although often extremely anti-intellectual, some of America's greatest authors were rednercks: Poe, Melville Twain, William James. Although often very destructive of the environment, the scotch-Irish produced men like John Muir. Although somewhat 'fundamentalist' or extreme, great religious ideas and reforms have been generated by the Scotch -Irish going back to the great revival at Cane Ridge Kentucky in 1801: an event which seems to have defined 'American Religion' per se. A majority of the authors of the Constitution of the United States were of Scotch-Irish Ancestory and Princeton Graduates( New Jersey College: run by Scotch Presybeterians at the time) and got alot of their ideas from developments in Scotland during the English Civil War.

If people understood the dynamics of their own culture and history that would help them understand the dynamics of other cultures and their histories. Understanding the mixed and contradictory context and messages- the ongoing struggle and transformation contained therein- would help them undersatand that other cultures and traditions operate in the same manner and that their simplistic, abstract categorizations of, for instance, 'Islam' or 'Arabs' are entirely inappropriate and not at all helpful in developing an Dialogue of Civilizations, putting an end the madness and slaughter going on in the world today.
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John Calvin
5/3/2002 (9:54)
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Brief Synopsis of Red Neck Culture; The Scotch-Irish Pioneer Tradition.


Bordereres, backcountry people, rural proletariat

Captive and restless in a hostile world;

With a modest commercial and clan elite, counterveiling episcopy, apostolic indepoendence, diverse promotions, folk pageant and low humour.

Hard-boiled nordic spirit: patient endurance of suffereing, contempt of death;

Warrior type admired: ambition, will, physical prowess with few applications of gentleness or mercy coupled with an aversion to wanton cruelty.

Contra privilege and monopoly.

A strong sense of Justice both civil and divine.
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John Calvin
5/3/2002 (10:24)
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Looking at the situation in the middle east through the lens of the redneck tradition provides some surprising contradictions and irony.

Naturally, most rednecks would despise the wanton cruelty of suicide bombers attacking commercial districts in Israel. Neve-the-less, they are bound to have an admiration for the bombers warrior spirit and contempt for death, as well as a deep sympathy for the justice of his or her cause. Why is the focus, however, all on the 'wanton cruelty' of such acts? Because the red-neck tradition has lost a good deal of its vitality and other cultural and political elements ( that of bourgeois, government elites) have unduly weighted that one side of the argument?

The whole of the redneck tradition has this fundamental orientation towards the world: that it is a hostile and unsettled place, and yet a large proportion of the American people have settled for a political system which makes its chief goal settlement and 'security'. How come so many inheritors of the historical 'gestalt', have settled for the simpering,fearful, almost cowardly, infantile, 'innocent' pastoral view of London merchant classes during the Romantic era?

How come so many Americans seem ready to submit to the dictates of multi-national, corporate capitalisms and excessive privilege given to the ruling political and government bureacratic classes?

Why do top leaders like Bush and Ashcroft go for the Justice of the lynch mob and vigilantism insteads of the careful crafted system embodied in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, worship the king-like perogatives of the 'Imperial Presidency' instead of insisting on strict constructions of such items as the War powers Act? Why is Congress so corrupt and wimpy, after centuries a struggle to make such an institution the paramount organ of power in the State? Why is it so objectionable that the U.S. should be concieved as a nation Under God- at least a tacit recognition that man might not have all the perfect answers to his own destiny? Why do Americans so rarely humble themselves before God? Who has been wrecking their cultural tradition, robbing children and young adults of their heritage?

The Giant sleeps, but one day he will awaken and the disgusting, unmanly creeps who run the country today will be driven away or turned into pillars of salt!

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truth
5/3/2002 (11:53)
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Thanks for answering me .. The reason I was wondering is because most western researchers that claim to be an authority on islam and history of islamic culture are usually doing there best to distort the truth .. Sometimes doing a smart job too. I Assumed you were an athiest because On most of the articles that I saw you put your name on ( or I guess sometimes someone else did) Had a very big push for separating relegion from government. Which I would consider as paganism .. As a muslim I would not mind living under christian or jewish law.. Not talmudic law of course .. My second best choice would be a democracy .. eventhough it means double work for me to raise my children away from all the wonderfull things rampid in western democratic societies .. at least the most important laws of god are still kept in some form.!!
I would like to make sure you understand why I have previously called you a pagan .. and thanks pointing out that any one who claims the ignorant masses are not to blame because there resources are tampered with .. You just gave me a TRANSLATED refrence of solid ground!! To all samuel hunington readers I guess are not normal.!
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carol
5/3/2002 (13:57)
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I didn't get your drift at first. I always thought the scotch-irish were the intellectuals. I didn't know they were the source of the red necks as well.

We are doing something wrong. If disentangling ourselves from Israel means facing and correcting injustices that have occured as a consequence of that relationship...that is what we have to do. Everyone is watching us.Will that motivate us? If we don't have spokesmen for doing the right thing, if we end up just continuing to hide our heads in the sand...we'll go down. American government has the wrong idea...like everything they want to cover up the surface problem and not deal with the source.

I agree. America has become stupid. And mainly I suppose because of our education system coupled with our ability to 'buy' whatever we want.

Teachers are pumped out at the university like plumbers in a trade school. Its a job with the summers off. If people learn anything its on their own. When I graduated from college years ago...there was a teacher shortage..and I was hired to teach 4th grade(without an education degree). The principal said on the first day, 'I don't care if you teach them anything...just keep them quiet'. And college is a ticket for a job, not a liberal arts education.


We buy our way into other countries backyards to place our bases. We buy out the real cures of diseases so we can keep people sick and make more money. Its money money and more money. And it is us who have created the monster 'terrorism'.Where are the few good men to lead us out of this? Our problem has always been the people with the brains don't get elected. Or if they do....the other powers do everything to bring them down.

Maybe our time is up...and the mayans knew it as their calendar stopped in the year 2012. Will we go back to living like the American Indians did? It all looks so hopeless.

Theres only one thing I know...hating the jews isn't going to take us anywhere. And ignoring the palestinian problem will end in tragedy for everyone. Here is the closet thing to the west...Israeli...smack next door to the middle east. If the two countries don't make it...none of us will. All countries should unite to work on this instead of using it as an excuse to take sides.