Jenin: remember this word
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John Calvin
5/7/2002 (17:54)
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Jenin - Remember This Word

Jenin. Remember this word, for every time your lose faith in humanity, all you need to do is to recall it. Repeat inside of you, slowly, when you are down and frail. It should give you vigor and lift your spirit. It's a symbol of courage, courage beyond these times of despair and degradation, courage that's legendary, almost mythological. How else can we explain that a small refugee camp, less than a kilometer sq. length and width stands for days in the face of hundreds of tanks, Apache helicopters and thousands of trained killers, they call soldiers?

Established in 1953 as a make-shift tent city to host thousands of Palestinian refugees, this small camp breeds tenacity and defiance. Many of those Palestinians who were uprooted from their villages in Palestine to live in the most humiliating conditions were still able to see the land that once was theirs, by simply gazing west.

For nearly five decades they looked west. Now, when their elders die, their children who are raised in the same impoverished yet proud Palestinian camp, also taught to gaze west. West is Palestine, their home, where they were told stories by aging grandmas of how wonderful life once was. It was a reminder of their dire hardship and life under occupation.

13 thousand refugees lived in the Jenin refugee camp, located near the city of Jenin in the West Bank. Their dream was beyond paved roads, functional sewer systems and good schools. Their dream was returning home. Many held the deeds to their land in Palestine, some even held the large old keys of their ravished homes, and most of them knew too well what UN Resolution 194 meant: it was their right to return.

But for decades those refugees remained without homes, without rights, and for decades they were subjected to never ending cruelty. In 1967, Israel added insult to injury when it invaded the West Bank and Gaza, the refugees are now under military occupation.

In recent years, the young population in the camps have grown to reach 44 percent of the total number of refugees. Yet with little means, many managed to attain a proper education at nearby Universities, Bir Zeit, Bethlehem and Najah. A young, educated yet defiant generation was born and raised in the small camp, a population that never forgot to look west, were Palestine is, a population that never feared to carry on the torch of a dying generation. That dying generation taught them one valuable lesson; never forget the land, our rights, our pride and our dignity. And they never did.

When Palestinian streets exploded with anger in a loud cry for freedom, the uprising was just getting started, and the Jenin refugee camp was there, leading the crowd, chanting the loudest, demanding justice, human rights and return.

Israel knew too well what Jenin meant for its military aspirations, that particular refugee camp was a deal breaker for Israel's attempt to suppress the Palestinian population, to kill their spirit.

Last March Israel carried out 'Operation Colorful Journey' against the Jenin and Balata refugee camps. Like its name, the 'Operation' was colorful, bloody colorful, as nearly 20 Palestinians were killed and hundreds wounded in the refugee camp. Many homes were destroyed, but the spirit remained strong. Israeli officials said that their mission in Jenin was like 'picking up terrorists with tweezers.' But even the tweezers of the fourth strongest army in the world, one of the most powerful nuclear powers, was hardly enough to bend the will of Jenin. Jenin fought hard, and as the soldiers were pulling out, Palestinians emerged from their homes, carrying their dead, and chanting about Palestine and freedom.

But General Sharon never forgets his unfinished battles. Revenge is his game, even if launched against refugees, fighting with old rifles and kitchen knifes. As he recently deployed his forces to invade West Bank towns, he spared nearly 300 tanks, thousands of soldiers and many Apaches to invade the Jenin refugee camp.

Until the writing of this article, 8 days after intensive bombings, horrendous killings and indescribable massacres, the camp is yet to fall. Hundreds of homes have been destroyed, mass graves have been opened, scores of dead have been buried in haste, men and women smothered under the rubble of their homes, and the camp is yet to fall.

Frustrated with the small size of the poor camp, Israeli tanks began stepping on everything, homes and mosques to find a way for themselves, to open a new battlefront with the defiant refugees, and the camp is yet to fall.

The head of the Israeli military Shaul Mofaz, embarrassed by the blunder, led the 'operation' himself to carry out a massacre, as the whole world stood and waited while the refugees battled the tanks, and fought the Apaches.

Over fifty missiles were fired on the camp within an hour; hundreds of people are said to be buried under the rubble; many bodies were scattered in the streets; Israeli troops began a systematic bombardment of the entire camp, the wounded bled to death, with no medical attention, just broken hearted mothers screaming in vain. With little means, the small camp, not only resisted, but inflicted heavy losses on the army that once claimed to be 'invincible'.

From inside the camp, using a cell phone with a dying battery, a Palestinian fighter reached Al Jazeera satellite television. 'I just wanted to let the proud people of world, not to worry, we are resisting and will fight to the last drop of blood.' In the background, a proud population stood listing to the speaker, maybe thinking that the world really listened or cared. They all chanted in one voice for freedom and Palestine, before the battery died, maybe not to be charged again.

By the time this article is published, maybe the Jenin refugee camp will be bulldozed, maybe hundreds more will be killed, maybe the fighting will still continue; but under no circumstances will the remaining refugees of Jenin be coerced to abandon their fight for freedom, their vow to return.

Israel is yet to be convinced that even with the most sophisticated US manufactured weapons, the people of Jenin refugee camp will never abandon their honorable fight, they will never cease to look west, where their land and pride are, where Palestine is calling on its people to come home.

By Ramzy Baroud - April 9, 2002 (ramzy5@aol.com

http://www.ummah.com/worldaffairs/viewcafeature.php?cafid=56&caTopicID=1
reply by
Yawn
5/7/2002 (19:51)
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Whatever John.
There was no massacre, as the propogandists would have us believe.

I don't know what you hope to accomplish with these posts of yours, but then I am never surprised at what arses you Yanks will make of yourself.
reply by
Wisso
5/7/2002 (20:05)
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There was no holocust also!!!
reply by
John Calvin
5/7/2002 (20:31)
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yAWN: what may be accomplished by reading such posts is that you, or somebody like you might begin to be just a little bit curious about how people in other parts of the world think about such affairs and events, what 'the other side thinks' and so help yourself form a somewhat realistic expectation of what can be accomplished by the way of negotiation and settlement for peace and the end of bloodshed.

I recall a post made some time ago, of which I here provide a small excerpt. It is from a short essay by William James:

'Now the blindness in human beings, of which this discourse will treat, is the blindness with which we all are afflicted in regard to the feelings of creatures and people different from ourselves.

We are practical beings, each of us with limited functions and duties to perform. Each is bound to feel intensely the importance of his own duties and the significance of the situations that call these forth. But this feeling is in each of us a vital secret, for sympathy with which we vainly look to others. The others are too much absorbed in their own vital secrets to take an interest in ours. Hence the stupidity and injustice of our opinions, so far as they deal with the significance of alien lives. Hence the falsity of our judgments, so far as they presume to decide in an absolute way on the value of other persons' conditions or ideals.'

Naturally, when you say there was no massacre in Jenin you are demonstrating exactly what James meant by 'blindness'. Apparently its only a massacre if 200-1500 people are purposely. senselessly, criminally killed, in violation of all the norms of International law and countless resolutions of the U.N. Security Council,but NOT a Massacre when only 50-200 people are killed in this fashion. You are a complete asshole, please crawl into your hole and go back to sleep.
reply by
Luu Nguyen
5/7/2002 (22:18)
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Hi John,

I have a question.
I understand that Israeli army committed a massacre of civilian Palestinians in Jenin. Why did they do it? I mean, what did Israelis wanted to achieve by killing scores of innocent Palestinians?

Sincerely, Luu
reply by
Yawn
5/7/2002 (22:42)
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Good point Luu.

But first lets address John's semantic point about Massacres.

What is a massacre?
If a massacre is 56 people being killed in a firefight between two armed groups, with a portion of them civillians caught in the crossfire and not intentionally killed, then John is correct and there was a Massacre in Jenin.
By using his criteria however, there have been over 100 massacres this year alone - not committed by the Israelis - and I haven't heard anyone raise any uproar over any of these massacres.

Today 16 civillians shooting pool were killed and over 60 injured by a Palestinian bomber. Is that not a massacre?
Why is the UN not investigating this massacre?

Back to Luu's question. The IDF is under more scrutiny than any armed forces in the history of the world. They know that the deaths of any civillians will be used against them by propoganda agents of the PLO and their friends. More than any other armed forces engaged in a war they strive to avoid civillian deaths.
23 Israeli soldiers were killed in Jenin by Palestinian militiamen. They were attacked by children, women, and men with guns. The Palestinian gunmen used Palestinian civillians as human shields and purposely aimed to increase the body count - both their own and that of the Israelis. The Israelis provided the Palestinians soldiers the opportunity to give themselves up and not be attacked, but the Palestinians chose to fight, all the while endangering their own citizenry.

John can quote William James as much as he wants, but it doesn't excuse the fact that he is obfuscating the facts.

People were killed in Jenin in a genuine, justified military operation. There was no intent by the IDF to kill unarmed civillians. The IDF attempted to limit the number of civillian deaths. The Palestinians lie in order to further their cause. I am not blind. I am going off all of the data I've looked at presented by both parties.

So piss off Calvin and crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under. (See I can sound like a shrill bitch just like you).

Excellent question Luu.
reply by
TheAZCowBoy
5/8/2002 (1:43)
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(((yawn))) 'Today 16 civilians shooting pool were killed and over 60 injured by a Palestinian bomber, is that not a massacre?

TAC: Nope, that is called 'payback!'

(((yawn))) 'Why is the UN not investigating this massacre?'

TAC: 'Because the Palestinian's were not allowed to pick the investigative group composition and also because the number of Jews was too small to designate this as an 'official' massacre!

TheAZCowBoy,
reply by
Luu Nguyen
5/8/2002 (7:35)
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Thank you Yawn for your response, but my question was to John. You claim there was no massacre in Jenin, so, naturally, you cannot answer my question about its purpose. What I'd like to know is how John explains the reason for Israeli army committing that massacre.
reply by
Yawn
5/8/2002 (9:48)
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John?


Luu - Not to take us off topic, as I am curious about John's response as well, but when you get the chance, please note how you would define a massacre and what would be the criteria required to deserve such a label?

Thanks.


reply by
ARAB
5/8/2002 (12:41)
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The reason is that the israelis barely consider the palestinians or other arabs human beings. Indeed, according to some enlighted zionists on this message board support for palestinian rights should probably go under the topic: animal rights.

Thats the simple reason friend.
but thanx for asking , even if it was adressed to someone else.
reply by
Yawn
5/8/2002 (13:53)
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Arab's response is a common propoganda ploy. Make your enemy out to be an entirely evil dehumanizing force. Claim that they are totally racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, you name it, and then your are permitted to do what you will with them.

While there are some pro-Israel fanatics who will use dehumanizing language about Palestinians, it pales in comparison to the number of anti-Israel fanatics who completely dehumanize the Israelis.
The Israelis are usually careful to distinguish between Palestinians and Palestinan terrorists in their comments.

The same discrimination of terms is rarely practiced in regards to Jews and the minority of fanatics that are not reasonable.

Read some of the Arab newspapers for an education in how to dehumanize a group of people and justify a genocide.
reply by
Wisso
5/8/2002 (14:02)
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'please note how you would define a massacre'

A massacre is when u kill a large number of humans!!

And what would be the criteria required to deserve such a label? when a large number of innocent humans get killed

Therefore jenin is a masacre

But the Holocust during WW2 was just a gift from god!!!....There was no masacre since i clearly said...when a large number of HUMANS...

there 'yawn' there's my criteria!!!

reply by
Yawn
5/8/2002 (14:22)
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So Wisso - Does that mean that the Palestinains massacred 16 Israelis yesterday?

If that is the criteria you are using, then the Palestinians have committed numerous massacres this year.
Where is the UN investigation?

And don't give me your bs about Jews not being human.

If you want to be taken seriously answer the questions.
reply by
Ivan Pupkin
5/8/2002 (14:26)
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Pleased to hear from Wisso. Response to Yawn reads 'A massacre is when u kill a large number of humans!!'. Apparently, this means that if Yawn kills a large number of humans, it's a massacre. And if anyone else does it, it is not. By that definition, if Yawn is not the Israeli army, then Israeli army is not involved in a massacre.
reply by
Yawn
5/8/2002 (14:28)
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Good point Ivan.

And I am not, sad to say, in the IDF.

I am, however in the the Columbia House Video Club.

Watch out for us.
reply by
Wisso
5/8/2002 (22:34)
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how dare u compare IDF to palestinians...

Palestinians have been opressed since the day of the creating of israel..they have been manipulated, stolen, killed, tortured and any other crime against humanity u can name

i mean for fucks sake do u watch TV...i mean it doesnt take a smart man to realize that Israel r the bad guys in all of this...they always been and they always will be

Do u see any Palesitnian bulldozer destorying jewish houses?

Do u see any palestinian steeling water from the jews?

Do u see any palesitnian plane bombing the living fuck out israelies?

Do u see any palesitnian Tanks shooting at anything moving and destorying any car on the road?

Do u see any palestinian occuping israeli territories?

Do u see any palestinian forces arresting any male between 15 and 40 years old.

Do u see any palestinian NOT leting UN inspectors check what they have done

Do u see any palesitnians shooting on every moving thing on the street

Do u see any palestinian settlers in jewish territories?

i mean in one hand u got a superpower...in the other u got poor ppl trying to defend themselves with any possible ways.....i usually do not agree in suicide bombing.....but in that case..THEY HAVE NO FREAKING CHOICE>...they protest, they get arrested, tortured or shot at...if they resist occupation...they get called murders or terrorists...!! i mean god damnit..i know u ppl r jews and eerything and ur blinded by 'yer chosen ppl' thinking...but Look at what u have done to those poor palestinians....look at what u have done to ARABS....
u came out of nowhere stole their land their freedom...u stole their houses...u have murdered their families and on top of that...u MASACRE those same ppl in their REFUGEE camps....REFUGEE camps built 50 years ago when u monsters kicked them out of their HOUSES......

CMON DAMNIT....put yerself in their position for fucks sake
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...SPREAD THE TRUTH ...
5/8/2002 (23:11)
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Pictures Speak...
5/11/2002 (5:18)
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...SPREAD THE LIES..SPREAD THE BS
5/11/2002 (10:42)
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YES...OUR PLAN IS WORKING PERFECTLY...IF WE JUST SPREAD ENOUGH LIES AND ENOUGH PROPOGRANDA...PALESTINE WILL BE FREE AND WE WILL HAVE KILLED ALL THE JEWS...WE HAVE LEARNED OUR LESSON FROM GOEBBLES WELL...IF WE TELL A BIG ENOUGH LIE ENOUGH TIMES IT WILL SOON BE ACCEPTED AS TRUTH...WE MUST BE RELENTLESS...IF PEOPLE EVER REALLY THINK ABOUT THE SITUATION AND KNOW THE TRUTH...THEY WILL KICK OUR ARSES...SPREAD OUR LIES ALL OVER THE PLACE...JIHAD! JIHAD!