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Jewish Canadien
5/26/2002 (18:30)
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Dear Carol:

There are so many posts in this forum, I was afraid you would not read what I've written to you in the discussion on the 'Furher's Prophecy.'
I am pasting in the post below.
God Bless.

Carol - I have read many of the posts in MER's forum and it is a rather sad commentary on contemporary discourse of these very important issues. Your posts seem to have more genuine concern for the lives of all of the people in the region than practically all of the others. I am not going to even attempt to address the litany of accusations that the different discussants have made here, as they are clear distortions of reality and anything I say is likely to be distorted, disputed, and not listened to with an open and fair mind. I urge you, however, to not accept anything that is posited here without doing your own research on websites that are not biased in either direction (be aware that there is a canon of false, anti-semitic propoganda on the web).

Your question regarding anti-semitism is an important and profound one. One not likely to be addressed seriously by many in this forum. I recommend reading some of the articles on http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo.html for starters. But don't stop there. This is only to give you an overview.

I understand your struggle to resist anti-semitism. It is a very seductive ideology and way of being, but as you pointed out it is a false ideology. Everyone loves to blame someone or some group for all the problems we face. In Malaysia it is the Chinese immigrants, in Turkey it was the Armenians, in Iran the Bahai, and in Europe it was the Jews. The numerous genocidal murders against all these groups, particularly the Armenians and the Jews shows how dangerous this form of scapegoating can be.

Israeli policy has been problematic and some of its military responses have been brutal and terribly painful to those recipients of it, but seen in the actual context of what is occuring in the region and what it is faced with it is difficult to demonize Israel as being worse than any other country. In fact, it is easy to rationalize what they are doing in response to the intentions of intolerant Muslim extremists.

You are brave to propose an alternative perspective to those in this forum. It is only too easy to join a hate filled mob and gang up on another person.

Thank you for reading this.
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carol
5/26/2002 (18:35)
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Thank you.
reply by
Flame-thrower
5/26/2002 (18:59)
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Two little Pinkies here, left overs from the sixties no-doubt, i.e the generation that holds the reigns of power at this moment in time. The generation that have turned the world into the mess that it is today.

Next week, Puppies and Ice-Cream.
reply by
John
5/26/2002 (19:05)
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Psst, Jew living in Canada.
You are in the wrong country, the Canadian dollar is not worth a lot. It won't buy you many Apache's or Longbows, your best bet is to nip across the border tonight and start syphoning the American Dollar.
More bang for buck!
reply by
Captain Ed
5/26/2002 (19:27)
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Canadien Kike - Can ya feel the heat? We are firing up the ovens.
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carol
5/26/2002 (19:31)
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How can I say this in a nice puppies and ice-cream kind of way....how about 'piss off' the two of you. Or maybe you prefer, 'fuck off'.
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Peccavis
5/26/2002 (19:42)
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Jewish Canadien wrote:
'Israeli policy has been problematic and some of its military responses have been brutal and terribly painful to those recipients of it, but seen in the actual context of what is occuring in the region and what it is faced with it is difficult to demonize Israel as being worse than any other country. In fact, it is easy to rationalize what they are doing in response to the intentions of intolerant Muslim extremists.'

If Jews around the world and Israelis are TRUELY concerned about turning the tide of suicide bombings in Israel, here is a hint:

Oust the Likud-led Government and vote in the Labor Government.

Why? The Likuds, Sharon and Netanyahu, have to date been in power for 49 months. During their reign in power, there have been 50 suicide bombings (about 1 per month) taking 2,517 casualties (casualties = deaths + wounded).

On the other hand, the Labor leaders - Barak, Peres, and Rabin - have been in power for 52 months since 1994. During that time, there have been 14 suicide bombings (about 1 every 4 months) taking 627 casualties.

Call me an anti-semite, but I would expect ANYONE wanting to reduce violence to accept a government that promotes fewer suicide attacks.

Vote out Sharon, and vote in Peres.

Will this work?

Let's see.....

'Likud seeks to ignore the Oslo 'process' and to advance immediately to permanent status talks without having created conditions conducive to rational and cautious decision making based on agreed and acceptable incremental changes in political and security realities on the ground.'

'[T]he Likud-led government has approved the expansion of existing settlements, including the creation of new neighborhoods often well beyond the borders of current settlement boundaries.'

'Likud, without heading the warnings of Israel's security establishment and without due consideration of the political consequences, chose to initiate the development program of Har Homa.'

'Likud seeks to extend Israeli sovereignty over a majority of the territory on the West Bank. Included would be as many as 120 or more Jewish settlements, many of which are located within, or contiguous to, areas with large Palestinian population concentrations. This will insure the fact that there will be many small enclaves of Jewish settlers dispersed throughout the Palestinian controlled territories.'

'This Likud 'peace plan', will result in preventing the creation of a viable, contiguous Palestinian geographical entity, a Palestinian sine qua non to a political settlement. It will also perpetuate and exacerbate a Bosnia like integration of population and territory.'

'Likud calls for the extension of Israeli sovereignty over the entire Jordan Valley area, making the Jordan valley Israel's eastern political border.'

'Likud, while advocating that Jerusalem remain united and under Israeli sovereignty, has encouraged and supported Jewish habitation in areas of the city such as Ras El Amud and Silwan, which until now have been populated exclusively by Arab residents.'

'Likud appears to be ready to consider a territorial compromise on the Golan Heights. However, its refusal to acknowledge the progress which was made in negotiations conducted by the Labor government, has created a stalemate on the Syrian track.'

'Likud's inability to reopen talks on the Syrian track has perpetuated the conflict with Hizbollah terrorist forces in Lebanon.'

'Likud is committed to an agreement with its extreme Right wing, religious and haredi (ultra-Orthodox) coalition partners. This agreement obliges the Likud to support legislative and other arrangements designed to insure the centrality and authority of the Orthodox Rabbinate in all matters of personal status and religious practice in Israel. '

Source: Israeli Labor Party
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Politics/labor.html

Call me an anti-semite, but I cannot support an Israeli government that promotes occupation, greed, and violence against Palestinians.

BTW - Good job at weaponizing the term 'anti-semite' in the Western media. People are so afraid to be called anti-semite, that it brings back McCarthyism and the Communist Black List. There goes the First Amendment and an open democracy in America!
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TheAZCowBoy
5/26/2002 (20:44)
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To: The Jewish Canadian,
'Extremism in defense of ones land, water, natural resources and the lives of our loved ones is NO VICE!'

For 54 years the Zionist thugs of Israel have held the decent Jews of Israel hostage to their 'cult' and their bloody Aztec like sacraments in their creation, by force of arms of their 1/2 acre of Zionist hell.

The tsunami of anti-Semitism that currently circles the earth every 90 minutes is a creation of these atheist Zionist hyena's.

As a Jew you must now decide if it is a real democratic Israel living in peace with its neighbors with full respect of each other's borders, water resources and traditions that you seek or a Zionist Israel that subjugates, murders, maims, and destroys people's lives and even their dignity in the pursuit of a greater Israel that extends from the Euphrates to the river Jordan.

I once was a friend of the Jews--Lebanon, summer of 1982 changed all of that--Jenin, Ramallah and Rufah has convinced me even more than ever the Zionist state of Israel must die and die now!

TheAZCowBoy,

'Those that sow the wind of hatred and racism reap the whirlwind of vengence and death!
reply by
TheAZCowBoy
5/26/2002 (21:22)
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Re: Carol drivel's out her 'not so lady-like' intercourse: 'How can I say this in a nice puppies and ice-cream kind of way... how about 'piss off' the two of you or maybe you prefer, 'fuck off!'

April fools Canadian Jew!

You thought you were getting a nice prissy pig tailed 'lady' from America and instead you got an old ex-topless dancer who has lost 'most of her bounce' and none of her sailor's vocab, LOL!

TheAZCowBoy,

PS: Hey Carol, I corrected your pathetic grammer--NO CHARGE!*

* Maybe a couple of 3 unit courses at Hebrew university in Tel Aviv, huh? :)
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TheAZCowBoy
5/26/2002 (21:39)
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To: Jewish Canadian, while I am 'truly' trying to resist the anti-Semitic demons that rage inside of me, I find that posts like the one that follows sends me into a tizzy regarding you Jews.

Read & Weep:

Ramallah May 26th 2002.

Wafa: Below is a brief of the past 24 hours events and developments on the Palestinian arena:

Dr. Ahmad Rabah head of the Gaza Hospital “Shuhada Alaqsa” said that the Palestinian woman Kamela Abu Sa’eed (45) and her daughter Nowaa (13) died yesterday, when the Israeli occupation forces burned them alive in their Wheat field that was shelled by the Israeli tanks setting it on fire together with many adjacent fields.

Eyewitnesses said that the Israeli tanks prevented the Palestinian ambulances from approaching the victims for two hours.

In Jericho, Dr. Saeb Erekat met with Mr. Nigel Roberts the representative of the International bank in Palestine. They discussed issues related to the mechanism of rehabilitating the destruction caused by the Israeli aggression and means to finance the rehabilitation projects.

The Israeli occupation forces re-invaded the Holy City of the Nativity Bethlehem, eyewitnesses said that the Israeli occupation forces used 5 tanks rolled into the center of the city reaching near the Nativity Church manger square, and other 8 tanks penetrated deep into the southern section of the city, the Israeli occupation forces targeted the residential buildings using their tank fire, while the USA made gunship helicopters hovered the sky of the city.

The Israeli occupation forces are building another invading force at the doorstep of the devastated Jenin Refugee Camp and the Jenin eastern areas, using many tanks and armored vehicles, and launching sound and light bombs in to the populated areas, intimidating the citizens and warning of a second massacre.

From the illegal Jewish Settlement of Gani Tal the Israeli soldiers shelled the citizens homes west to the city of Khan Younis in the Gaza Strip, damaging many houses, intimidating the citizens and terrorizing the children.

The invading Israeli occupation forces to the city of Tulkarem, killed early this morning the Palestinian citizen Waked Qotob (50) while he was inside his house.

Using many tanks, the Israeli occupation forces, Sunday, re-invaded the city of Qalqilya, demolished private houses of the Palestinian citizens, while conducting mass arrests of innocent civilians.

See what I mean when I say the Zionist State of Israel in the hands of the LIKUDNIK hyena's and the IDF thugs and murderers HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST?!

TheAZCowBoy,


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...RESOURCES...
5/26/2002 (21:52)
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reply by
Peccavis
5/26/2002 (22:01)
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TAB,
Apparently, the so-called 'Jewish Canadian' has disappeared. Typical of a Zionist - spew their 'help-me-I-am-the-victim' rhetoric and disappear into the shadows when facts are revealed.

Also, I think the strategy of anti-Zionists need to change. Instead of calling them Zionists - the word 'Zionist' seems to hold some mythological meaning to Westerners thus unreal - let's call all killer-Israeli-Jews 'Likuds'.

Don't call killer-Zionists 'Likudniks' because that again sounds like Zionists, but simply 'Likuds'.

Sharon is a Likud.
Netanyahu is a Likud.
Who else is a Likud?
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carol
5/26/2002 (22:13)
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Thank God I don't fit into your idea of what a woman should be. Thank God. From your writing...I gather you're the kind of guy who has a 'nice' wife, goes to church on Sunday, and has a topless dancer on the side.In other words...you use women. Just as you are using the Palestiians cause to further your anti-jewish sentiments.

You might be able to fool wisso....but its pretty obvious that you use people for your right wing fundamentalist christian knocking on everyone's door...bugging people on the bus dangerous philosophy. My writing may seem pathetic to you...but you are pathetic to me.

You are the most dangerous person on this site. Yeh, just keep trying to hurt me...or humiliate me or the jews...or whatever it is that you need to do to get a hard on....people will see through you....that you're just a sorry ass alcholic....doing anything you can to not face yourself.
reply by
Peccavis
5/26/2002 (22:29)
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Carol,
Please email me :-)
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...They Try To Change the Language
5/26/2002 (22:51)
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zIONISTS try to change the language people use thereby influencing their thoughts... For example their recent effort to have Bush II to use the word 'homicide bombers' instead of suicide bombers...is their example of editing our language, which the Bushies are happy to oblige.... .. I don't capitalize the word zIONIST, but use a lower case 'Z' to describe them ... Also in describing the Israeli army, I use IOF (Israeli OCCUPATION FORCES)... .. not the IDF... ...Israelis fight tooth and nail with newspaper editors to try to dictate to them the language to use thereby trying to control our thoughts.. For example they harrassed & threatened news editors ( Or even seducing them with 'lunches').. to use the term 'suburbs' & 'city outskirts' in describing the settlements surrounding & suffocating the Palestinian towns & villages.. some reporters like Chritiane Amanpour have complied with this change of language.... Another term they have successfully gotten the news media to use is 'targeted killing'... instead of 'assassinations'.. of Palestinians.... etc.. we must use the correct language ...And don't let them dictate the language we use... ... They want to dominate in their propaganda offensive as well.. J.R. Gahi
reply by
TheAZCowBoy
5/26/2002 (23:40)
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Dear Peccavis, I am sending you Carol's old G-string that I was holding for posterity by FEDEX, COD. I find that I can no longer hold her ( or her smelly G-string ) in high esteem because of that vocab of hers--she'd embarrass a sailor on a three day pass in Tripoli :( the USN is still doing shore leaves in Tripoli, aren't they? :) I mean when a lady sez f**K, wowie, it makes the blood rush from my business end to my cheeks and ears--yes, they're quite red as I type this letter to you.

As for my need to get a h**d on ( as she sez ), well, those days are over and I now how my Jewish Mamacita Golda ( 44DD-23-35 ) here doing stoop labor a-la- Monica Lewinski on theAZCowBoy as we speak trying to make me forget Car... caro...carol.. what's her face?

It seems some Canadian Jew has wisked her off her feet and now she wants to 'wiggle' whatever she still has to wiggle at this Zionist lurker who came and went leaving yours truly with his problem firmly in his tight grip :) but nevertheless 'in control of my volcanic hormones.'

Regards,

TheAZCowBoy,
reply by
Canadien Jew
5/26/2002 (24:42)
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My understandably insincere apologies for not sitting in front of my computer all day and responding to all of your comments as promptly as you would like. It was not an attempt to dodge your questions. As I noted in my original post to Carol, I am confident that no matter what I write, those who are committed to demonizing a group of people are not going to listen and not going to care about what is true and is what is not true. From the little that I've read I am fairly sure that many of you are far superior than me in the art of rhetoric and persuasion and would quickly barrage me with a litany of half-truths and skillfully worded racist commentaries that would leave me frustrated and irritated. I'm going to take a pass with the exception of addressing Mr. Peecavis's comments regarding Likud. I personally am actually a card carrying member of Meretz Canada. Meretz is a party to the left of Labor and devoted to living in peace with a demilitarized Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. You are correct in urging Israeli critics to address their complaints to Likud, rather than Zionists or Israel in general. Many Zionists and Israelis would be willing to lay down their lives to support a peaceful Palestinian state and it does immense harm to demonize an entire group. I don't condone demonizing Likud either, but addressing your complaints about their policy has immensely greater affect than ranting that Israel is an evil state.

All that being said, the personal attacks against Carol reflect terribly on your persons and only contribute to an atmosphere of hate and intolerance. It is no longer such a big world and the hate that eminates from your finger tips affects events on the ground half way around the world. The reverberations of those events may be felt on your own street.
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TheAZCowBoy
5/27/2002 (1:20)
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Dear Canadian Jew, you had me going there for a while but then you came up with the typical Zionist Jew's dream of a Palestine.

'Meretz is a party to the left of Labor and devoted to living in peace with a demilitarized Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza.'

Demilitarized Palestine? You mean one where the Jews can run in there with their Merkava tanks and US supplied Apache helicopter gunships bristling with hellfire/TOW antitank missiles anytime they wish and murder and maim 'alleged Palestinian terrorists' in a heart beat?

I just wonder how the Jews of 1948 would have taken to this kind of an offer from the Arabs.

Nope, I want a Palestine loaded for bear with anti-aircraft missiles batteries, F-22's, Longbow advanced helicopter gunships loaded with advanced hellfire/TOW antitank missiles and the legal right to demolish every 'illegal' Jewish settlement that does not hold a 'building permit' issued by Arafat's PA authority.

see, how we differ--and why the Zionist Jew will never make it in the Middle East or anywhere else?

In case you think I am being anti-Semitic better check out www.JewsNotZionists.org and you will find out that the decent Jews also hate you Zionist Jews!

TheAZCowBoy,
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...Resources...
5/27/2002 (1:29)
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reply by
carol
5/27/2002 (2:36)
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Funny your upsidedown values, AZ...where the word fuck is offensive and the word kill is not.

You work hard at trying to alienate every jewish person who comes on this site...as well as barb and myself. You are the internet warmonger. You are no different than sharon. You are the internet sharon...trying to push others off what you think is your internet site...interesting that it is a jew who gives you the space to do that.

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Paul (from germany)
5/27/2002 (5:40)
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to Carol:
Maybe TheAZCowBoy is a little hard in his expressions, but I guess sometimes it is just that only language some people can understand.
Especially in germany we know how a critic of Israel is called. If you dare to critisize Sharon you are named anti-semite. But what are jews in Israel when the taunt and hurt palestinians? Anti-semites at their best.
All the time we hear demands for stopping selfexplode defense persons. That is right. No need for us who don´t live under constant pressure of an occupation to excuse those actions. But why don´t stop the occupation? the taunting? the cruelties on pals? Kill the root of terror. Bring the pals a fair chance and not those fairy tales about the swiss cheese Barak offer to Arafat. Not even worth a minute to think about.
Sorry to say this, but the zionists in the jewish society are feeding the anti-semitism that is necessary for them to survive their cruel ideology. Come and visit the Ministry-Of-Information's guestbook of the PA at http://www.guestbook.de/yasg.cgi?X=17373 and read some posts about how 'fair' the treatments and opinions of some pro-israelian supporters is. After this you can decide who is really anti-semite.
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TheAZCowBoy
5/27/2002 (11:55)
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Re: Paul from Germany-'Maybe TheAZCowBoy is a little hard in his expressions, but I guess sometimes it is just that only language some people can understand.'

Dear Paul, I make no apologies for how I deal with the Zionist hyena's. Long ago as a F-15/F-16 instructor fighter pilot training IAF pilots how to Fly,Fight & Win in Israel, I discovered that 'self defense' was not what the Zionist Jew was seeking.

But it was in Lebanon, summer of 1982 that my suspicions were finally confirmed at the Jewish thugs dropped salvo after salvo of US supplied cluster bombs on lebanese hospitals, orphanages, clinics and many other 'civilian' targets.

Things got so bad that a USMC Capt ( Raymounds? ) challenged a group of Israeli tanks firing on a hospital to back off or be bombed! I was a member of that overhead flight that was prepared 'swear to God' to take out those Jewish low lives, no matter how much trouble my flight would have gotten into.

We even worked up a 'Jewish' defense, 'Oh, it was a total mistake--communications were garbled.' But the parasites knew we ment business and retreated immediately--I wish ( now ) that they hadn't. In the end over 25,000 Lebanese civilians were slaughtered by these Jewish animal's ( 500,000 were left wounded, maimed and homeless ) and to this day I despise these Jewish 'hyena's' who deserve no more mercy than they give to the Palestinian's ( Jenin, Ramallah & Rufah come to mind as I write this ).

TheAZCowBoy,

'They that sow the wind of death and distruction reap the whirlwind of revenge and justice!'
reply by
Lynette
5/27/2002 (12:15)
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There will come a day AZ that the Palestinian story will be told in the West. We have been spoonfed the Pro-Israeli diet for over 50 years and many have swallowed the HYPE without ever questioning WHY the Palestinian have their 'tits in a wringer' about the way the Israeli's have treated them since 1967.
One day some BRAVE director will take an HONEST look into the Palestinian Struggle......MINUS the Israeli SPIN and PROPAGANDA MACHINE that works tirelessly day and night on a global scale. One day AZ..........eh?
reply by
Sara
5/27/2002 (14:26)
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It won't cost us nothing if we boycott all pro-Israeli Jewish propaganda resources.
Moreover we will give our soul and mind purity, calm and pease away from filth and drums of war of Dracularian blood sucking narations..of lies..and mental degradetions..
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...BOYCOTT ISRAELI GOODS...
5/27/2002 (17:08)
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BOYCOTT ALL ISRAELI GOODS & LEISURE TRAVEL... Boycottisraeligoods.org/index .. and matzpun.com
reply by
Croc
5/27/2002 (17:59)
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One day we will know the full horror of what the White British colonist did to the poor Aboroginies.

Then we will give those dastardly Brits and Australians what they have coming to them, eh?
reply by
Paul (from germany)
5/27/2002 (20:01)
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to TheAZCowBoy:
I didn´t want to step on your shoes. You are one of the posters who tells us the truth. A truth that is sometimes uncomfortable for those who try to fool the majority of people in the world. We have to fight the use of 'victimhood' and the word 'anti-semite' that is the favourite weapon of the zionists. The official opinion in germany is different from the common peoples opinion. No one of my generation feels any guilt towards the jews. Why should we. We weren´t even born when the so called holocaust happened. But we are more and more aware about the things happened in Israel now. We have to stop the violance on both sides. But this can only happen when the worldleaders get their balls and stop the blind support for Israel. We, the western world must recognize the facts. A dead palestinian is not more but too not less worth than a dead jew. And for the living ones the same rule. The fucking bullshit about religious frontiers and promises of God must end at once. We must stop condemning the occupiers less than the ones who are in resistance against the zionists. We have to find a balance between those parties and that is only reachable when we start critisizing the state of Israel without the fear of being called a little Hitler. No support for megalomaniac behavior. To break the circle of hatred and fear, we have to fight the biased opinions of many uneducated humans.
And if Israel is not willing to achieve peace, we have to stop this terrible zionists.
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5/27/2002 (21:28)
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reply by
DonUSA
5/27/2002 (21:49)
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A woman in her sixties and her year-old baby granddaughter were killed, and some 40 people were wounded, including the baby's parents, when a Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up outside a cafe in a Petah Tikva mall yesterday evening.

The names of the dead were not released at press time.

The terrorist, from Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat's Fatah organization, detonated his bomb among dozens of people, many of them mothers and children, at the cafe in the Em Hamoshavot strip mall.

Five of the wounded were in serious condition, including a three-year-old girl.

Police said the bomb used by the suicide bomber contained around 10 kilograms of explosives, packed with metal objects to maximize the number of casualties.

Fatah-Tanzim's Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack in a statement issued on Hizbullah's Manar television station broadcasting from Lebanon.

The statement said, 'We will not stop our operations as long as the occupation continues in our land.'

There had been warnings of terrorist attacks in the Sharon district and the North, but there had been no specific alert relating to Petah Tikva.

Eyewitnesses said there was a powerful explosion, and fragments from the device were thrown as far as 50 meters.

The fact that it occurred in an open area full of people raised questions about the ability to protect such places. Police stressed that the number of casualties would have been far worse had the suicide bomber blown himself up in an enclosed space.

The attack followed recent bombings in Rishon Lezion and Netanya, and abortive attacks in the North, at the Pi Glilot fuel and cooking gas storage facility, and in Jerusalem yesterday morning.

Security sources said that although many attacks have been thwarted, the terrorist organizations are highly motivated, and it appears there is no alternative but to return to the kind of deployment that was in force prior to Operation Defensive Shield.

Internal Security Minister Uzi Landau, who went to the scene, said there will not be peace and quiet even after the construction of a proposed security fence unless the IDF erases the terrorist infrastructure within PA-controlled areas.

'We have a strategic problem with the Palestinian Authority, with its power structure and educational system that teaches sending young children to blow themselves up among us,' Landau, told reporters at the scene. He said the eight-year-old PA should be 'completely disarmed.'

Diplomatic sources reported that Sharon is continuing the current doctrine under which the IDF enters PA-controlled areas to do the job that the PA was supposed to do under the Oslo Accords crack down on terrorism.

According to senior security sources, IDF incursions into Area A to capture wanted terrorists and thwart attacks will intensify in response to recent attacks.

The attack in Petah Tikva occurred around 6:40 p.m., after the suicide bomber crossed the Green Line. Initial reports said that a car, believed to have transported the terrorist, was seen fleeing the scene, prompting a police pursuit involving roadblocks and a helicopter.

Another report, however, said that the terrorist may have arrived at the scene on a motorcycle.

Police Insp.-Gen. Shlomo Aharonishky, who also came to the scene, said inquiries are in the initial stage, and it was not known how the terrorist entered Israel or whether he was given assistance.

Aharonishky said there was supposed to be security at the open air mall, but the guard had apparently been elsewhere at the time.

Sharon district police chief Cmdr. Aharon Franco said there had been guards at the supermarket in the shopping complex, but not outside all the smaller businesses and cafes.

'The Super Center [supermarket] was supposed to have a security guard, but the other businesses are small and the place itself is open,' said Franco.

'There was no pinpoint warning about [a terror attack] in Petah Tikva or the Sharon district. The warnings were and are general, and our deployment was in accordance with this throughout the district, in the towns and cities, and along the Green Line,' he said.

The area was sealed off as sappers and bomb-sniffing dogs carried out intensive searches for other explosive devices. They smashed the windows of parked cars to be able to check there were no bombs inside.

MDA paramedics treated casualties at the scene and evacuated them in a fleet of ambulances to hospitals in the region, including the Rabin Medical Center-Beilinson and Hasharon Campuses in the city, Sheba Hospital in Tel Hashomer, and Meir Hospital in Kfar Saba. Some of the younger among the wounded were later transferred to the Schneider Children's Medical Center for Israel, also in Petah Tikva.

The IDF's incursions into Area A will increase and intensify as terrorist attacks increase and intensify, a senior official in the Prime Minister's Office said last night, following the attack.

'If Arafat doesn't stop the attacks, we will have to do so,' the official said. He said Israel will do what it takes to 'keep the terrorists on the run' and make it more difficult to carry out attacks.

As has been the case following each of the attacks over the last two weeks, the cabinet neither met nor responded to yesterday's suicide attack. The official said such meetings are unnecessary, since the security cabinet has already approved IDF responses to the suicide bombings.

Since Operation Defensive Shield ended last month, Israel has thwarted some 40 suicide attacks, and the official said this is the result of information gathered during the operation and the subsequent active pursue of terrorists.

'The fact is we are catching most of the suicide bombers before they can carry out their attacks,' the official said. 'This is because we are sitting on their tails.'

The official said that last night's attack was carried out by the Tanzim, whose members are on Arafat's payroll.

'He has full control, but is doing nothing,' the official said of Arafat. 'He talks reform and does nothing to implement it. It is more of the same duplicity.'

The official said that Arafat is the obstacle to any reform in the PA, and that the PA will not make a committed effort to stop violence until he no longer controls the PA's security apparatus or finances.

The official said Israel does not believe that 'half-baked' reforms will solve the problem, and that as long as Arafat supports terrorism, creating a unified command structure won't make much of a difference.

The PA condemned the bombing attack. A statement said its leadership considers it 'harmful.' 'The Palestinian leadership, which together with the Palestinian people is under continued Israeli aggression, condemns the terrorist attack that targeted Israeli civilians in Petah Tikva,' the PA said in a statement.

'It considers this attack harmful to our cause and struggle, and to the image of the Palestinian people before international public opinion,' said the statement, which rejected Israeli accusations that the Authority had a hand in suicide attacks.

Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Yisrael Lau visited the wounded in hospital last night, expressing his horror over the attack. Lau said he sees no hope, unless Muslim leaders begin condemning suicide bombings.

In the Balata refugee camp next to Nablus, several Al Aksa gunmen fired in the air in celebration and said the operation was in retaliation for Israel's killing of Al Aksa leader Mahmud Titi in a shelling last week.

Palestinians identified the bomber as Jihad Titi, 18, a cousin of the dead leader. However, the Al Aksa claim did not mention his name. It would illustrate the increasing involvement of teenagers in suicide bomb attacks.

Hussein Sheikh, a prominent West Bank Fatah leader reacted to the suicide bomb attack in Petah Tikva tonight by saying, 'The one who bears the responsibility for that is Sharon, who says everyday that Operation Defensive Shield will continue against the PA and the Palestinian people.'

Sheikh added 'Israel got used to Arafat baring responsibility over any attack that comes in the framework of the legal resistance for the Palestinian people.'

PA intelligence chief Amin Hindi said the murder of Israelis is a 'big mistake' and urged all Palestinian groups to stop attacks against Israel.

'The murder of Israeli civilians is a big mistake,' he said at a news conference in the Gaza Strip. 'There is one authority, and any weapons outside the authority are not legal.'

UN envoy Terje Larsen issued a statement saying that 'such attacks cannot be endured, and must stop.'

Matthew Gutman, Mohammed Najib, and news agencies contributed to this report.

reply by
lie
5/27/2002 (23:59)
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AZCOWPIG is a LIEING Mutherfucker.
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About AZCowboy
5/27/2002 (24:02)
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He kill civillians in Viet Nam.

Ask him about that?

Watch him lie.
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friendly...
5/28/2002 (1:13)
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200% not a bad kill rate but barely enough for all the killings the zionist pigs have carried out in the stolen lands.
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TheAZCowBoy
5/28/2002 (11:11)
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Yeah DONUSA:

'Paybacks are a MF'er, aren't they?'

Oh Well,

TAC