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Lynette
5/29/2002 (3:20)
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Friday, January 4th, 2002 Amnesty International

The detention and beating of a prominent doctor and human rights defender, and the beating of members of an international delegation underlines the Israeli authorities' apparent disregard for basic human rights during the current intifada, Amnesty International said today. Dr Mustafa Barghouti, President of the Union of Palestinian Medical Relief Committees, was arrested on 2 January 2002 after a press conference with the participation of an international delegation including Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) and delegates from the USA and many European countries.

Dr Barghouti was arrested as he left the conference -- where he had spoken about the disastrous impact on medical treatment and care of the Israeli closures of towns and villages in the Occupied Territories -- on the grounds that he had no Israeli pass to enter Jerusalem, where he was born. He was released at al-Ram checkpoint between Jerusalem and Ramallah after four hours' detention at the Moscobiyeh Detention Centre in Jerusalem. The beating by Israeli border police took place later that day at the al-Ram checkpoint as international delegates protested at attempts to rearrest Dr Barghouti.

Dr Barghouti was released after an hour, with a fractured kneecap and various lacerations and bruises on his face and body. Some international delegates, including Italian MEP Luisa Morgantini, suffered bruises and other injuries. 'Dr Mustafa Barghouti, who has a world-wide reputation, has been released. However, he is not the first human rights activist to be ill-treated and arrested -- others remain under administrative detention orders which allow indefinite detention without charge or trial,' added the organization. These include >Abed al-Rahman al-Ahmar, a fieldworker for the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group, who was arrested in Jerusalem in May 2001 because he had no pass, and Daoud al-Dar'awi, a staff member of the Palestinian Independent Commission for Citizens' Rights, arrested in September 2001, who was placed under administrative detention in October immediately after a judge ordered his release on bail. >Abed al-Rahman al-Ahmar said he was beaten after arrest and both were reportedly subjected to prolonged sleep deprivation in painful positions under interrogation. 'The Israeli army responsible for the beating of Dr Barghouti and international delegates is also responsible for repeatedly shooting and killing Palestinians at checkpoints and during demonstrations when the lives of others were not in danger,' Amnesty International said. More than 700 Palestinians -- including more than 160 children -- have been killed by Israeli security forces since October 2000. Most of these were unlawful killings, yet only the killings of 13 Palestinians with Israeli citizenship in September and October 2000 are being properly investigated. 'The failure to hold proper investigations into every killing has created an atmosphere where nervous or reckless members of the security forces kill or injure Palestinians with impunity,' Amnesty International added. 'A new mindset which fully respects human rights will not come into being unless all killings, injuries, instances of ill-treatment and other human rights violations are considered important and adequately investigated,' the organization warned.

http://www.amnesty.org

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..Resources...
5/29/2002 (3:40)
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Go..To.. (1).. hrw.org ..(2).. Btselem.org .. ccmep.org ..(4).. ariga.com ..(5).. nilemedia.com
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The only Solution..
5/29/2002 (4:10)
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** Give Palestinians the same rights as Israelis. End the apartheid system **

One person. One vote. One state.

That is the only solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

You take away the oppression and apartheid that Israel inflicts on the Palestinians and the problems are resolved.

Give every person, be it an Israeli or a Palestinian equal rights and see how fast the destruction on both sides stops.

Look at what happened in South Africa when black people were given the same rights as whites.

It is not very hard to solve this problem...Israel only has to recognise the Palestinians as equals and give them the same rights.

Is Israel willing to commit to that? Or will they keep using high-tech weapons to drive the Palestinians out of their homes?

Together with equality we can end this.

End the occupation. End the apartheid. Equality for both Israelis and Palestinians.
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ARAB
5/29/2002 (4:46)
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TRUE.. ALL TRUE.

This is the democrarcy people should be promoting not this perverted version of apartheid.




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carol
5/29/2002 (5:48)
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If this isn't an intentional effort to break the spirit of the palestinians... as if it were an experiment...as if the pals were rats in their laboratory...then these israelis are just completely paranoid, blind and out of control. What the soldiers are doing...have been doing..isn't it conceivable that this isn't a reflection of the government and the people? The government can't very well punish the army when they don't have a lot of replacements waiting in line. Isn't it conceivable that the average israeli isn't aware of this kind of stuff....if its the jewish media in the united states that skewing reports in American...why wouldn't they be doing that in their own country?
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carol
5/29/2002 (5:57)
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This article came from the Village Voice:

Whenever I square off against some righteous hawk, male callers describe me as a bad Jew, and an egregiously pushy one, at that. 'Don't go on television anymore,' one guy commanded after a dustup with Alan Keyes last week. 'And don't say anything bad about Israel.' He made no threat, but it struck me as a stage-one warning and reminded me of how fraught speaking out against Israeli policies can be if you're a Jew.

The threat isn't just external. Nothing makes me feel guiltier than criticizing Israel. I have to fight against the feeling that I've violated my greatest obligation as a Jew, which is to ensure the survival of my people. But for that very reason, I'm willing to run the risk of self-loathing?and worse. Better that than silence in the name of solidarity with policies that could lead to the destruction of the Jewish state. This is how I approach the great second-Holocaust debate.

So far, it's been a typical Jewish american tsimmes: a series of polemical exchanges, some of them brilliant, others way over the top. I'd put Ron Rosenbaum's geshreis in both categories. Borrowing a phrase from one of Philip Roth's darkest meditations, Rosenbaum tapped into a deep vein of Jewish thinking now by raising the specter of a second Holocaust. In a series of columns for The New York Observer that blazed with the Jewish passion for unsparing exegesis, Rosenbaum made his case: 'This is the way it is likely to happen. Sooner or later, a nuclear weapon is detonated in Tel Aviv, and sooner, not later, there is nuclear retaliation?Baghdad, Damascus, Tehran, perhaps all three. . . . It's coming sooner or later; it's not 'whether' but when.'

Not long after Rosenbaum's piece appeared, New York magazine published a rejoinder by Amy Wilentz, a progressive who described herself as a 'little fool' still hoping for peace. In the Jewish community's apocalyptic mode, Wilentz wrote, any suggestion that Israel bears some responsibility for its situation is inadmissible. The occupation, the settlements, Ariel Sharon's role in sparking the current intifada (via his 'descent on the Temple Mount'): None of this can be addressed. Rosenbaum reacted much as my male callers do: by going berserk, albeit in a less menacing way.

It will be interesting to see whether he responds as splenetically to the cover story in last week's New Republic by Leon Wieseltier, a fully credentialed zaddik (wise man). In his eloquent repudiation of 'the Jewish panic,' Wieseltier describes a very prosperous diaspora community sunk 'in the imagination of disaster. . . . There is a loss of intellectual control. Anxiety is the supreme proof of authenticity. Imprecise and inflammatory analogies abound. Holocaust imagery is everywhere.'

So it is, in part because it corresponds to the mind-set of eternal insecurity that serves as a solace for many Jews, especially deracinated ones. When I summon up my gravitas to tell a Jewish friend that 'history isn't finished with us,' I'm motivated not just by an intellectual conviction but by the weird thrill of bonding with another yidl over the prospect of impending doom. This sort of interaction makes me feel intensely Jewish, and I suspect it's the same for many Jews of my generation, especially those who were never religious and who no longer subscribe to the radical politics that once functioned as a Talmud. Apocalyptic thinking can make such Jews feel closer to their fathers?and to all the fathers, back to the patriarchs. The specter of annihilation is the major remnant of a tribal identity.

Yet even as I acknowledge this ulterior motive, I'm also aware that the idea of a second Holocaust is more than an emotional conceit. It's a real possibility. Certainly the will to kill Jews exists in the world today. Too many Muslims are being taught things that lay the groundwork for genocide. And the capacity of Europeans to resist this temptation, so central to their history, is suspect. The burning of synagogues, the eruptions of Jew hating, the facile conflation of Zionism and racism?it's possible to assemble these pieces into a proclamation that we're living in 1938, especially if you have no way to measure the moment because you've never known real danger. As Wieseltier wrote, 'We are the luckiest Jews who ever lived.' How compelling to conclude that the awful events of the past year are déjà vu all over again.

But let's go to the videotape. Europe reacted forcefully to anti-Semitic outbursts. The left has its share of bigots, but they don't dominate progressive discourse. The Islamic world has many tendencies, including a history of tolerance toward Jews. To point this out is not to deny the danger, only to insist that, as Wieseltier put it, 'The bad is not always the worst.' A normal existence, he wrote, 'is an existence with many causes.' And the causes of the current crisis make it different from the Holocaust in nearly every respect.

Europe's Juden were not citizens of a sovereign Jewish nation with the power to retaliate against its enemies. The fact that Israel is one of the world's most heavily armed states may not guarantee its survival, but it certainly changes the equation?as does the presence of several million Arabs within and around its borders. A nuclear Armageddon will come only if the region explodes in such a paroxysm that the mass destruction (of both Jews and Palestinians) seems plausible. That could happen, especially if the U.S. creates its own atrocity, say, in Iraq. The idea that a second Holocaust might be triggered by the blunders of America, Israel's closest ally, is one of the ironies that make this metaphor useless. Unless your aim is to suppress dissent.

I've yet to see Rosenbaum?or for that matter Nat Hentoff?attack the Jewish groups threatening to boycott American newspapers whose coverage of Israel isn't to their liking. You have to be hopeful in order to break ranks, and these two Jews are not. For Rosenbaum, the second Holocaust is a tragedy in the making. As he writes, 'The definition of tragedy?or one definition?is a conflict without a solution.' This feeling of implacability is what allows some Israelis to believe it doesn't matter what they do, since the whole world hates Jews in any case.

Only hindsight can say whether hope is more prudent than despair. But when it comes to Israel, hope and American power are one and the same. No one else can break the vortex of violence or enforce a peace agreement. America's Jews can play a major role in making this risky enterprise possible, but for that to occur we need a real debate?not about the inevitability of a second Holocaust but about how to prevent it. That's why I speak my mind about Israel. It's the best I can do for my people?and myself.
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More from Amnesty
5/29/2002 (9:42)
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A host of Asian-Pacific countries have been criticized for human rights abuses in the latest annual report issued by the worldwide rights watchdog, Amnesty International.

The September 11 attacks on America and the subsequent crackdown on perceived national security threats were the focus of much of Amnesty's wrath, although the report also targeted China, Singapore, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia and Malaysia.

Pakistan and India were both chastised for indulging in state-supported torture of prisoners in custody.

In Sri Lanka, the police were alleged to have committed wide-scale rape while the northern separatist Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) movement was singled out for its practice of taking hostages and using child soldiers.

China's continued repression of religious groups and ethnic minorities, such as the Uighurs in Xingjiang and the Himalayan Tibetans, were highlighted once more.

China
Perennial appearances on Amnesty's annual blacklist did not appear to have quelled human rights abuses in China, with the group reporting that serious rights violations increased in 2001.

'Around 200 Falun Gong practitioners allegedly died in custody as a result of torture, scores of nuns and monks remained in prison in Tibet,' the report said.

'The Chinese government used the 'war against terrorism' to justify a crackdown on ethnic Uighur 'separatists,' saying they were linked to international terrorism. Many alleged separatists were detained and some were executed,' it said.

China's open declaration of a war on crime, the so-called Strike Hard Policy, also came in for criticism from the rights group, which is strongly opposed to capital punishment.

The 2002 report said at least 4,015 people were sentenced to death and 2,468 executed, with the true figures believed to be far higher.

Press suppression
The conservative city-state of Singapore and neighboring Muslim-dominated Malaysia both came under fire in the Amnesty report for curtailing press and political freedoms.

In Singapore, the ruling People's Action Party -- the holder of 82 out of 84 parliamentary seats -- was criticized for enforcing the Internal Security Act (ISA), which allows indefinite detention without trial, and for undermining the rights to freedom of expression and assembly.

Similarly, across the strait in Malaysia, another variant Internal Security Act was branded 'intimidatory.'

Under the guise of taking a tough stance on the war on terror, the goverment arrested and detained without trial opposition activists and suspected Islamic ''extremists'' under the Internal Security Act (ISA), putting them at risk of torture or ill-treatment, the report said.

Indonesia and separatists
The violent suppression of separatist movements in Aceh and Papua blighted Indonesia's human rights record, although Amnesty attributed a year of political upheaval to the government's apparent inability to act.

The report said dependence activists in Papua and Aceh, as well as labor and political activists, were among at least 13 people who were sentenced to terms of imprisonment for the peaceful expression of their views.

Also cited were 'deaths and injuries resulting from excessive force used by the military and police, including against striking workers, protesters and in areas of religious and ethnic conflict.'

In India, the police were alleged to have engaged in torture in custody, with people from socially and economically marginalized sections of society said to be particularly vulnerable.

The religious violence that has pitted the majority Hindi population against Muslims in the north of the country was also exacerbated by police who were 'believed to have taken a partisan role,' said Amnesty.

Kashmir detentions
The dispute with Pakistan in Kashmir was the source of criticism for both countries.

Indian authorities have continued to use the lapsed Terrorist and Disruptive Activities Act (TADA) to detain people in Jammu and Kashmir by linking them to ongoing cases filed before 1995.

Hundreds of people remain in detention under the TADA, despite Supreme Court orders for a review of all cases, the report said.

Freedom of expression was curtailed in 2001 in Pakistan, said Amnesty.

Kashmir, and the broader assistance Pakistan's leader General Pervez Musharraf offered the United States in its war on terror, were used by the military government to ban organizations ''involved in terrorism'' and to ban media distribution of materials ''conducive to terrorism.'

Women and children were also said to have been victimized in Pakistan, with the report condemning the state for 'failing to take adequate measures to protect women from abuse'.

Several hundred girls and women were killed in 2001 for allegedly shaming their families. Their supposedly immoral behavior included marrying men of their own choice or seeking a divorce.

The non-governmental Human Rights Commission of Pakistan reported that 62 women had been killed in such ''honor' crimes in the first quarter of 2001 in Sindh Province alone.

Over 4,000 juvenile detainees were held during the year, many residing in cells with adult offenders and suspects for minor offences such as vagrancy and theft.

Few unscathed
Few nations escaped unscathed in Amnesty's annual compilation of human rights abuses, with 152 countries listed as having breached what it says should comprise the basic tenets of any fair society.

The U.S. and U.K. came under fire for response to the September 11 attacks on the United States' east coast.

Other countries did not escape criticism. Australia for its prolonged detention of asylum-seekers in remote camps; Cambodia for not pursuing Khmer Rouge criminals; military-run Myanmar for extrajudicial killings, political imprisonment and forced labor; North Korea for executing political activists and South Korea for imprisoning more than 1,600 conscientious objectors to military service.

Amnesty International is an independent body with more than one million members worldwide.








Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/05/28/asia.amnesty/index.html
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TheAZCowBoy
5/29/2002 (10:57)
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Aaah Lynette--at last someone takes the path of theAZCowBoy in calling a spade-a-spade and guess what---they ain't 'spades' they're parasites, those frikin atheist Zionist low lives!

Now watch the resident Zionist Jews and Israel apologists come running with their 'mace' with which they srike all of Israel's critic's: 'Anti-Semite!'

As if murdering, maiming and displacing 'Semitic' Palestinian's wasn't some sort of cruel Jewish V2.0 of anti-Semitism in itself.

I say burn 'em!
I say stone 'em!
I say f**k 'em!

I say, 'burn down the holocaust Industries museums!

TAC,

reply by
Adolf Hitler
5/29/2002 (11:21)
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You're my kinda guy Phil
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TheAZCowboy
5/29/2002 (18:00)
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Oh by the way, I hope that you die of a cancer HOLOCAUST you Jew bitch.

Opps, just a little AZCowboy style graveyard humor. Acceptable in the realm of counter-propaganda cyber warfare.
'You may disagree of course, but that is freedom of speech and democracy in action'

Of course, I don't REALLY mean it. It's just to get my point across.

I hope that your Muslim grandchildren follow the great Muslims like Arafat and Saladin and kill many Jews in Queensland in another HOLOCAUST.

Of course, I don't REALLY mean it. It's just to get my point across. A little graveyard humor you know. Acceptable in the realm of counter-propaganda cyber warfare.

TAC
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ADAM
5/29/2002 (24:16)
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HEY AZ, MY STUPID MAN! ARABS ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO DESTROY ISRAEL. IAF (ISRAELI AIR FORCE) IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD. ITS PILOTS ARE EXCELLENT & LOYAL (TWO OF THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT THE ARAB WORLD LACKS)!
IT'S. NOT THE SIZE OF THE LAND THAT MAKES A NATION GREAT, IT'S THE PEOPLE. MUSLEM WORLD DOES NOT HAVE IT.
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carol
5/29/2002 (24:43)
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You're going too far, AZ...for one thing...unless I missed something..lynette is on your side...You say deeply hurtful things and then you take them back...are you simply a sado-masochist. Or are you beginning to lose your mind...your own hatred is messing with you. Or did you have one too many martini? Whats wrong with you?
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...Israeli War Criminals...
5/29/2002 (24:47)
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The Israeli Air Force pilots, tank commanders, & IOF sharp shooters as well as the IOF death squads should ALL be tried for War Crimes... and Crimes against humanity... ... palfacts.org/ ... ... ... ummah.net/action/israelicrime .... .... Also jerudaslem.indymedia.org ... ... ...
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Lynette
5/30/2002 (2:36)
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To Carol- There is a LOT of impersonating going on in this forum. Mostly done by the Pro Israeli camp. At least I have the courage of my convictions and post my REAL first name. I am attacked all the time by the Pro-Israeli camp for those views........but most of my views are similar to those people like Gideon Levy, Suzanne Goldberg,Rabbi Leherer, and Uri Averny.
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Paul (from germany)
5/30/2002 (16:08)
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Yes Lynette, that is true. You are one of the few who fight a long and hard fight for justice, equality and peace against an overwhelming amount of stupids and ignorant pro-zionistas. Personal attacks, impersonatings and garbage porn attacks can´t stop us. Lets go on in this duty for humanity. Big greetings from germany.
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palistine
6/2/2002 (12:42)
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hey adam..stupid man! you are not enough smart to tell az is an stupid man!ok you are not enough smart to destroy arab