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Don Goddam USA:
What do I know about the Holocaust?
Well my Daddy returned home to Mobile with eyewitness accounts of mass graves of people in Poland.
My German ancestors were murdered by the Nazis because they opposed their satanic regime.
The readings I've done on the topic all lead me to believe that between 4-6 million Jews were murdered by the Nazi regime and its allies in the various countries it occupied.
Is that it? Is that the proof you use as an indictment of the German people and its ruling government from 1933 to 1945, an indictment which, in terms of severity, has never been made against any other people or government at any time in history.
What you have said to me does not point to the supposed assembly-line style extermination of human beings. It is a very sad reflection of the limited knowledge of the masses of the subject matter, before they point the media induced accusing finger at the Germans of being responsible for a crime unparalled in history.
You do not even touch on the so called Holocaust ! THE unique crime of the century -- a crime which staggers the imagination -- we immediately sense that we are about to hear -- once again -- of the German genocide of the Jews.
There is only one group with victim status: the Six Million
There is only one scene of any crime: Auschwitz
There is only one group of unique criminals: the Nazis
There is only one new, horrifying weapon: the 'gas chambers'.
Eyewitness accounts are bile!
The Jewish run Stalin court was spreading communist propoganda like some disease toward the end of WWII. Although not in the same league as post war America/Hollywood during the Cold war and since. As Russia swallowed up Poland after the war, what your 'Daddy' heard could only have come from the Russian/Communist propoganda machine. These are the same liers that accused the Germans of executing the Polish Officers and upper classes in the Forest of Katyn in Poland. In 1993 the Russian government admitted that Stalins NKVD had commited the crime using Captured German ammunition which was of a smaller calibre than Russians. The NKVD expertly and systematically disposed of them all with a single shot in the nape of the neck. It is ironic insofar as it was the Germans that found the mass graves.
Why is the Holocaust Industry still using these arguments to ridicule the Germans?
Why is the Holocaust Industry still releasing books that are not amended?
Why have the Holocaust Industry not publicly acknowledged their false accusations for the last Forty Eght years and apologised?
Russia Poland:
The four Einsatzgruppen were formed after the German pre-emtive attack (1) against the USSR. Their principal task consisted of fighting the partisan bands operating behind the front. Total Einsatzgruppen personnel, including radio operators, drivers, translators, nurses, etc., amounted to a total of only approximately 3,000 persons (2). Acording to the exterminationists, these were responsible, not only for fighting the partisans, but for the pitiless extermination of all Jews in the conquered Soviet territory. According to the Enzyklopaedie des Holocaust', the Einsatzgruppen killed 1.25 million Jews, and 'hundreds of thousands of other Soviet nationalities' by the spring of 1943 alone (3), i.e., a total of least one a half million people. This means that every member of the Einsatzgruppen, including radio operators, drivers, translators, and nurses, would have had to kill an average of 500 Jewish and non-Jewish people each -- nearly one a day, if we consider Sundays and holidays.
Miraculously, the nearly two million bodies (since the Einsatzgruppen are supposed to have continued murdering people even after the spring of 1943, after all) disappeared without a trace. Under normal circumstances, of course, this is not so. Disposing of the body is the nightmare of every murderer. After the murder of the family of the Russian Czar, the bodies were burnt and acid was thrown on them, but they could still be identified.
The Soviets recently told the world that the remains of Hitler are going on display in Moscow. Why did it take Fifty seven years for them to pluck up the courage? Was it because the Jews insist that hundreds of thousands were burned in pits with NO FUEL (As the Germans had none) yet their remains disappeared without a trace. Yet Hitler's body was a priority case and Forty gallons of fuel were put back for the purpose, Yet his boby did not disappear and there were remains. How can Hundreds of thousands of Jews disappear with NO FUEL? Yet Hitlers one body remained,after being doused with copious amounts of Fuel? A human body does not burn away into thin air on it's own, it needs elaborate machinery and even then the remains have to be further processed by being ground down.
The Holocaust scholars report (4):
'The task of the Sonderkommando... was to open the mass graves, remove the bodies, burn them, and scatter the ashes.
According to the above, the murder victims were first buried, then dug up again later, and then burnt! But the former location of mass graves can be identified by aerial photographs quite easily, even years later, due to the disturbance in the terrain. Even if the Germans had succeeded in burning two million bodies and eliminating the bone fragments and teeth, the location of the mass graves could still be found.
But they can't, Where are they?
Thus, there is no physical evidence of the two million murders on the Eastern front. The documentary evidence consists of the 'Event Reports' from the Einsatzgruppen in the USSR to the RSHA in Berlin. These reports are alleged to have been found by the Allies in the RSHA files after the war.
According to the exterminationists, the reason why no documents on the gas chambers have ever been found, is because the Nazis wanted to cover up their crimes; they therefore issued their murder orders only orally, or at least destroyed all the existing documents. But the incriminating Einsatzgruppen reports, revealing a monstrous murder programme in the East, were left lying around where they could be found! They could have burnt the few files on the subject in no time, easily! How very strange.
Babi Yar Massacre:
The massacre at Babi Yar is mentioned in the Einsatzgruppen reports (5). After the withdrawal of the German army in September 1941, there was a series of explosive attacks causing fires and hundreds of deaths. In reprisal, the Germans are alleged to have taken 33,000 Jews to the edge of the city of Kiev, shot them, and thrown them into the ravine at the end of September. During the war, tens of thousands more Jews were allegedly murdered there. Exactly two years later, as the Red Army approached Kiev, the bodies are supposed to have dug up and burnt without a trace, so that there is no physical evidence of this, either.
Several revisionist authors, principally Herbert Tiedemann and Udo Walendy (6), have investigated the evidence relating to Babi Yar in great detail. The eyewitness reports contradict each other on all possible points. In addition to shootings, there is much talk of stabbings with bayonets, live burials, killings with land mines, hand granades, drownings in the Dneiper, and other similar nonsense. The number of victims mentioned over the course of the years rose to 300,000.
At the time of the German entry into Kiev in 1941, there were no 33,000 Jews in Kiev, must less 300,000 Jews for the Germans to murder, in any manner at all, since by far the majority of the Jews of Kiev had abandoned the city (7). Air photos of the ravine of Baba Yar taken during the war and evaluated by John Ball were the coup de grace to the Babi Yar legend (8). A comparison of photos taken between 1940 and 1944 shows that the mass graves -- which were allegedly dug up, filled in, later dug up again, and then resealed -- never existed, since otherwise the ravine would have shown massive topographical changes. These are in no way revealed by the air photos.
So the mass murder of Baba Yar turns out to be just another swindle. No other accusation of crime made against the Germans on the Eastern front has been made with such great propaganda effect; no other atrocity is supposed to have claimed so many victims. Since this invented massacre appears in the Einsatzgruppen reports, the reports were either totally falsified, or at least manipulated on a massive scale. Thus the only 'documentary evidence' of the millions of murders on the Eastern front crashes to the ground.
Yes there were executions of Jews and others in Russia no-one denies that. They deny and contest the amount, also the executioners.
Make no mistake, You can find pits of bodies everywhere:
Vietnam, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Nuremburg, Siberia, Rwanda, Phillipines, Argentina, Poland, Nicaragua, Palestine, Iraq, Iran and many others.
Why are all these pits of bodies not given very carefully contrived names, like 'Holocaust' that make them unique and beyond criticism?
Are the countless millions some-how not worthy of the special status of Jews?
Do their remains seem not worth the ink, when the Politically Correct spineless cowards, who twist history to appease their paymasters are writing the new chapters in the contorted annals of world history?
(My German ancestors were murdered by the Nazis because they opposed their satanic regime.)
Don't try and tell me the Germans were gassing all the Germans as well now. Well, Well you learn something new everyday!
Yes enemies of the state were encarcerated in germany, exactly as they are in any country you care to look at around the world now.
At this very moment America will have thousands lined up on death row to be gassed or electrocuted, their prisons will be choked with prisoners,most will be Negro, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and the like. In Israel at this moment Palestinians will be getting tortured and murdered by the handfull, no-one will hear their cries. The amount of repressive regimes, the so called western democracies have financed and supported over the years, leaves them with the blood of millions on their grubby little hands. Cleanup your own backyard, before pointing fingers.
THE FUNCTION OF THE HOLOCAUST IN THE WORLD SINCE 1945
The political consequences of the Holocaust were, and are, enormous. Let us look at the most important ones.
The founding of the State of Israel and the violation of Palestinian Rights
Without the Holocaust, the world would never have permitted the founding of the state of Israel in 1948. The colonial era was coming to an end at that time. The British had already decided to give India its independence, while dozens of Asian and African territories were at that point striving to shake off European rule. While other powers were rushing to grant independence to their colonies, the Jews in Palestine were permitted to embark upon a colonial adventure par excellence, with the blessings of both the West and the USSR. In so doing, they proceeded with ruthless brutality; whole Arab villages were leveled. A great proportion of the Palestinians were driven from their homeland. In 1967, Israel conquered additional Arab territories, the inhabitants of which remain subject to all possible kinds of repression: deportations, arrests -- in 1992, there were 15,000 Palestinians behind bars for political reasons! (9) -- liquidation of political opposition by killer commandos, dynamiting of houses, confiscations, endless repression (10). In addition, there is the systematic use of torture, quite unashamedly declared legal by the Israeli Supreme Court on 15 November 1996. In so doing, the Jewish state adopted a legal position which remains unique in the world. Israel is, of course, not the only state in the world to practise torture; but it is the only nation which openly claims the right to do so. The right of Israeli military personnel and policemen to torture Palestinian political detainees was justified by the Supreme Court on security considerations: the need to gain 'vitally important information on planned attacks'. So why did the Gestapo officer Klaus Barbie in Paris have French resistance fighters tortured, if not on security grounds, and for the purpose of gaining vital information on planned attacks on German soldiers?
Not only may Arabs be tortured and murdered in Israel with impunity -- they may even be mocked posthumously. In 1993, two Israeli soldiers shot an unarmed Palestinian during a street confrontation. At first, they were sentenced to one hour's imprisonment each; this inhumanly heavy sentence was later commuted into a fine of exactly one penny each (11).
Jewish terror rule in Palestine is not actually encouraged by world public opinion, but it is tolerated. After all, the Jewish people, after suffering the Holocaust, needed a homeland to protect them from a new genocide; what are the sufferings of the Palestinians compared to those of the Jews under Hitler?
Without outside assistance, the state of Israel would never survive for as much a single day. Its chief source of revenue continues to consist of financial injections from the Americans, support from international Jewry, and German 'reparations'. According to official sources, the BRD had already paid 85.4 billion marks to Israel (and Jewish organizations) by 1992 (3); the actual figure must be considerably higher. In addition there have been German deliveries in the form of commodities. Nahum Goldmann, long-time Chairman of the Jewish World Congress, wrote in his book The Jewish Paradox (12):
'Without the German reparations payments that started coming during its first ten years as a state, Israel would not have half of its present infrastructure: all the trains in Israel are German, the ships are German, and the same goes for electrical installations and a great deal of Israel's industry...'
Immunity of Jews from criticism
Before 1945, criticism of Jews was allowed. Today, that is no longer the case. Any criticism of Jewry and Zionism, no matter how faint-hearted -- for example, relating to the relatively heavy influence of Jews on the mass media of the Western world, or the arrogance of the Central Jewish Council in Germany -- is immediately shouted down with screams about Auschwitz and the Holocaust, with approximately the following logic: anyone who criticizes Jews is anti-Semitic; Hitler was anti-Semitic; Hitler killed Six million Jews; therefore, anyone who criticizes Jews wants to kill another Six Million Jews! No matter how stupid and primitive this argument may be, it has proven itself effective right down until the present day.
The effectiveness of the above is demonstrated by a single remarkable example:
The most dangerous criminal organization in the world is regularly called the 'Russian mafia' by the mass media. This is a slander on the Russian people, because the mob bosses are not Russian. In a book which the author was forced to call The Russian Mafia -- if he had called it The Jewish Mafia he would have thrown in jail -- the German author Juergen Roth (13) says:
'The cocaine is owned by a drug ring made up overwhelmingly of Israeli nationals -- some of them with Russian ancestry -- with support points in Colombia, Antwerp, Amsterdam, Tel Aviv, Moskow and St. Petersburg... Mosche Ben-Ari, Ricardo Fanchini, and Rachmiel Brandwain are considered the most powerful bosses of the exile Russian mafia in Europe and the USA.'
Although Roth had to censor many names in his book, it is clear from the context that the bosses of the 'Russian Mafia' are almost exclusively Jewish. The gangster bosses Rachmiel Brandwain and Mosche Ben-Ari live in Antwerp or Munich. No Belgian or German state prosecutor would ever dare have them arrested, since he would be attacked by the media as a 'neo-Nazi', a pitiless persecutor of 'Holocaust survivors'.
Covering up Allied atrocities in WW II
As we have seen, very little is ever said about the horrendous Allied atrocities during WWII. Terror bombings, starvation camps, and expulsions, may, of course, be inhumane, people will say; but the Holocaust was an incomparably greater crime! Anyone guilty of such a crime -- i.e., the Germans -- has no right to complain of harsh treatment by the Allied victors.
Creating contempt for the German people
Since 1945, the German people have been branded with a mark of shame for an unspeakable crime which makes healthy self-respect impossible for Germans, and prevents any German government from representing German interests in any way. A truly independent German government committed to defending the interests of the German people has not existed since 1945. The DDR was ruled by the satraps of the Eastern occupying powers for decades, while the BRD continues to be ruled by vassals of the Western occupying powers.
Self-respect and patriotism are held in contempt in Germany today; self-criticism and self-hatred are the prevailing trend. Leading intellectuals, the most well-known of whom is Guenter Grass, have expressly opposed the reunification with reference to Auschwitz (14).
Germany's entry into the Europe of Maastricht, i.e., into a supranational government ruled by an anonymous bureaucracy, is advocated tooth and nail by all the parties represented in the German Bundestag. After the destruction of Germany as a state, the next objective of the ruling classes is the destruction of the German people itself. This is to be achieved through artificially lowering the domestic birth rate by means of laws hostile to the family, by facilitating abortion, as well as by encouraging the mass immigration of people from foreign cultures, most recently from Black Africa.
Rendering impossible any objective discussion of National Socialism
An objective discussion of National Socialism, with its strengths and weaknesses, is simply impossible today. Any mention of the achievements and positive aspects of the National Socialist system -- for example, the elimination of unemployment and the economic upswing which set in soon after Hitler's rise to power -- is immediately howled down with screams about Auschwitz.
Creating contempt for all forms of nationalism except Jewish nationalism
While the Auschwitz truncheon was first used only on the Germans, it is now directed, to an increasingly greater extent, against all other white nationalities. The argument in this regard runs approximately as follows:
- the world sat by and did nothing while Hitler slaughtered the Jews by millions. Neither the Western powers nor the Soviets nor the International Red Cross nor the Vatican denounced the genocide nor attempted to rescue the Jews, although they knew just what the Nazis were doing. Therefore, the white race as a whole is jointly guilty for the Holocaust;
- since the extermination of the Jews was permitted without resistance AT THAT TIME, we must repent for our sins and grant residence to all asylum seekers from foreign cultures TODAY. If we were to send them back to their own countries, they might suffer persecution, torture, and death; we would therefore be guilty again!
- all forms of nationalism (except, of course, Jewish nationalism) is therefore highly dangerous, since it all too easily leads to racism, and therefore involves the danger of a new Holocaust. A 'nationalist', of course, is anyone who resists the mass immigration of coloureds and Moslems to Europe and North America.
In practice, the Holocaust means that white Christian nations no longer have the right to their own identity. They have a moral duty to allow themselves to be overrun and displaced. 'What, you're not against immigration, are you? You must be a NAZI!'
OH, WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE...
If we make a careful examination of the statements and numbers offered by the orthodox historians over the decades, it becomes obvious that there is hopeless confusion, and that the official version of the Holocaust has been constantly evolving. This is reminiscent of the manner in which the facts are constantly rewritten by Party officials in George Orwell's novel of the century '1984'. The following are a few remarkable examples:
The number of Auschwitz victims
Let us begin with the Auschwitz death statistics (15). The following are the deaths in the largest of the concentration camps:
- 9 million people, according to the film Nuit et Brouillard (16);
- 8 million people, according to the report of the French Office for the Investigation of War Crimes (17);
- 7 million people, according to Jewish former inmate Raphael Feigelsohn (18);
- 6 million people, according to Jewish publisher Tibere Kremer (19);
- 5 million people, including 4.5 Jews, according to Le Monde of 20 April 1978;
- 4 million people, according to the Nuremberg Tribunal (20);
- 3.5 million gassing victims, of whom 95% were Jews, and 'many' who died of other causes, according to the Jewish film director Claude Lanzmann ( 21);
- 3 million people, including 2.5 gassing victims, by 1 December 1943 alone, according to the confession of the first Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess (22);
- 2.5 million people, according to the Jewish ex-inmate Rudolf Vrba (23);
- 2 to 3 million murdered Jews as well as thousands of non-Jews according to the confession of SS Man Pery Broad (24);
- 1.5 to 3.5 million gassed Jews just between April 1942 and April 1944, according to the Israeli 'Holocaust expert' Yehuda Bauer in 1982 (25);
- 2 million gassed Jews according to Lucy Dawidowicz (26);
- 1.6 million people, including 1,352,980 Jews, according to Yehuda Bauer in 1989 (27);
- 1.5 million people, according to the Polish government in 1995 (28);
- approximately 1.25 million people, including 1 million Jews, according to Raul Hilberg (29);
- 1 to 1.5 million people, according to Jean-Claude Pressac in 1989 (30);
- 800,000 to 900,000 people, according to the Jewish historian Gerald Reitlinger (31);
- 775,000 to 800,000 people, including 630,000 gassed Jews, according to Jean-Claude Pressac in 1993 (32);
- 630,000 to 710,000 people, including 470,000 to 550,000 Jews, according to Jean-Claude Pressac in 1994 (33).
It will be noted that the number of victims is constantly being revised downwards. But the total number of 5 to 6 million Holocaust victims never changes! You can subtract hundreds of thousands, even millions, from the 5 to 6 million, and the final total is always the same! That's Holocaust mathematics!
Here Donny you said you like books, some more literary classic's straight of World Jewry's political press machines.
A good book you might like to read Don goddam USA is'Telling Lies about Hitler' by Prof (Skunk) Evans. It is available in America,but only because Jews own America. It is not available in Britain. The book is so libellous that, his own publisher, the Jewish firm William Heinemann, refused to print it on the advice of their own lawyers.
Granta, another London firm which came galloping up, loudly braying their support for him, also went metaphorically white when they read it, and (less loudly) decided not to go ahead.
When publishers hear the name Deborah Lipstadt now, they must blanche even whiter than when the name of Richard Evans is mentioned. Her last literary effort, Denying the Holocaust, was originally funded by Yad Vashem in Jerusalem and subsidised by the widely admired Jewish media-mogul and Mediterranean swimmer, Robert Maxwell (Jan Hoch); but it cost her backers Stephen Spielberg and Edgar J Bronfman and the American Jewish Congress six million dollars in unrecoverable costs -- unrecoverable, because the High Court in London did not award her any costs in irving's libel action against her.
It cost her publisher Penguin Books another £2 million. London journalists wickedly asked them, on the day of their Pyrrhic victory in April 2000, if they had any plans to publish her book -- Lipstadt had been seen busily pecking at her laptop throughout the trial. Penguin's chief executive evaded direct reply; the London press quoted him as saying tartly that they would consider that question when the time came! Hardly a vote of confidence in their co-defendant's marketability.
Her books routinely bomb, and are shovelled off the shelves into the furnaces, pulp machines, or remainder buckets, unreadable, unloved, and unsaleable at even one-tenth of their original price.
Lipstadt, this eminent scholar who must surely one day rank for a Pulitzer, if not indeed the Nobel prize for Literature, has an article in Sunday's Washington Post, reviewing the book Masters of Death: The SS-Einsatzgruppen and The Invention of the Holocaust by Richard Rhodes.
Sarcasm aside, that really does take the matzos: It borders on the absurd; she is a teacher of religion at Emory, she knows even less German than Richard Evans, she has no knowledge of World War II history or its documents and archives -- yet she gets to pass judgment on an evidently important work on the subject of Heinrich Himmler's SS task forces, in the pages of a leading United States newspaper.
Lipstadt is an academic whiz-kid who does not know her Arsch from her Ellenbogen. She refers to the Gestapo chief Heinrich Müller, head of Himmler's Amt IV, as 'Hermann Müller'.
I hope you enjoy your read Donny, and don't watch to much Hollywood you might get bad ideas.
Oh and learn some real history instead of Zionist Propoganda.
1) On the preventive nature of the German march into the USSR, see Viktor Suvorov, Der Eisbrecher, Klett-Cotta, 1989, as well as Walter Post, Unternehmen Barbarossa, Verlag E.S. Mittler & Sohn, 1995.
2) Ingrid Weckert in Gauss, Grundlagen... op. cit. Udo Walendy in Historische Tatsachen no. 5.
3) Pierre Marais, Les camions de gaz en question, Polemiques, Paris, 1994.
4) ibid.
5) Einsatzgruppen report 106 of 7 October 1941, Document R-102 in IMT XXXVII p. 291 ff.
6) Herbert Tiedemann in Gauss, Grundlagen... op. cit. Udo Walendy in Historische Tatsachen no 51.
7) In Kiev, practically all the Jews had left the city with the Red Army. Only the elderly remained behind.' Institute of Jewish Affairs, Hg. Hitler's ten years' war, New York, 1943, p. 186.
8) John Ball in Gauss, Grundlagen... p. 238/239.
9) Weltwoche, 22 October 1992.
10) On the Israeli repression of Arabs, see, for example, Ludwig Watzal, Frieden ohne Gerechtigkeit? Boehlau Verlag, 1994.
11) Nation & Europa, January 1997, p. 34; Rivarol, 6 December 1996, p. 9.
12) Spiegel, no. 18/1992.
13) Nahum Goldmann, Das juedische Paradox, Europaeische Verlagsanstalt, 1978, p. 171.
14) Juergen Roth, Die Russen-Mafia, Rasch und Roehring, Hamburg 1996, p. 263; 269.
15) This table was compiled by Robert Faurisson and published in the VHO Niuewsbrief (published by Herbert Verbeke, Antwerp, 7de jaargang, 1996, number 1).
16) Filmed in 1955 by Alain Resnais.
17) Eugene Aroneanu, Camps de concentration, Office francais d'edition, p. 196.
18) ibid, p. 196.
19) According to Kremer's introduction to Miklos Nyiszli, SS Obersturmfuehrer Dr. Mengele, Les Temps modernes, March 1951, p. 1655.
20) Nuremberg document USSR-O8.
21) Foreword by Claude Lanzmann to Filip Mueller, Trois ans dans une chambre a gaz, Pygmalion/Gerard Watelet, 1980, p. 12.
22) Nuremberg document PS-3868.
23) Vrba's statement to the Israeli Embassy in London on the occasion of the Eichmann Trial, 16 July, 1961.
24) Pery Broad, KL Auschwitz in den Augen der SS, Verlag des Staatl. Museums Auschwitz, 1973, p. 141.
25) Yehuda Bauer, A History of the Holocaust, New York, Franklin Watts, 1982, p. 215.
26) Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Agains the Jews, Penguin Books, 1990, p. 191.
27) Yehuda Bauer, Auschwitz and the Poles, The Jerusalem Post, 22 September 1989, p. 6.
28) Until 1990, bronze tablets at Auschwitz displayed the number of 4 million victims. They were then called Soviet exaggerations, and were removed.
29) Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, New York, Holmes and Meier, 1985, p. 895.
30) Jean-Claude Pressac, Auschwitz, Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York, 1989, p. 553.
31) Gerald Reitlinger, Die Endloesung, Colloqium, 1983, p. 524.
32) Jean-Claude Pressac, Les crematoires d'Auschwitz, CNRS, 1993, p. 148.
33) Jean-Claude Pressac, Die Krematorien von Auschwitz, Piper, 1994 (German translation of the book noted in footnote 18), p. 202.
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