one sided racism!
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mellowout
6/3/2002 (20:19)
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I notice on this board allot of onesided racism.
It seems ok for people to use terms like kike and jewboy and the like but if someone attacks arabs he finds himself attacked and or banned from posting while jew haters are allowed to make blanket racist statments with impunity why is that????
reply by
carol
6/3/2002 (20:28)
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You're right, racism should have representation from both sides. (howling with laughter)
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...J.R. Gahi
6/3/2002 (21:40)
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The correct addy should be ... cactus48.com ...
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Lynette
6/4/2002 (3:35)
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Well- I have been called just about every name under the sun by the Jewish camp. Slut, whore, tramp, old hag, Christian harlot...and they are some of the 'nicer'terms they have come out with. Yessir, indeedy.....when you go to battle with the senitive Jews over the ongoing occupation, they bring out the nasty stuff. Discussing the conflict in a gentlemany manner lasts about 10 minutes.......then the FIR really starts to fly. Call it TRENCH WARFARE if you like.........you gotta fight FIRE with FIRE when dealing with hardnosed right wing Zionist Zealots that won't cave in one millimetre to current worldwide thinking. How can so many millions around the world be so right on this issue. NOPE!! the {{{{Yids}}}}won't listen to the bulk of humanity, because they think they are on a mission to do G_ds work! Restoring bibical borders is tough going these days! So many people around the world are SCREAMING for human rights these days!!!!!!
reply by
ARAB
6/4/2002 (4:55)
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mellowout still insists he's arab-american.

I asked you where you were from originally and u have avoided the question.
I find it hard to see that you as an arab cannot see the racism against your own people in the US and in Israel while worrying about the fate of the opressors.

I think u're a liar.
And U'r loosing credibility. Tht if u ever had it.
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mellowout
6/4/2002 (13:04)
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first off Lynette
you are a moron you are a racist moron at that and ill leave it at that.
Arab i told you what i am and you refuse to listen but i have no reason to justify my self to you.
you would have nothing to do if you werent crying with one hand about being treated badly while slapping everyone with the other.
In war there is gonna be a winner and a loser. I am sorry that the Arabs are sore losers. Take it like a man and quit your crying.
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ARAB
6/4/2002 (14:12)
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lISTEN asshole.

and I am being polite.

U havnt said a single sentence that proves who u are.if u're a man than have the balls to tell the truth about ur background. u are more zionist than any zionist i have met.Not a single arab would talk this way about palestinians, regardless of any past feuds.

No one is crying, what we want is confrontation. What we want is to get what is rightfully ours.No more begging, no more ass-licking to western opinion.
So, if u consider that this whole thing is a wste of time, go back to what the fuck u were doing, and mind ur own business. Let the people with a cause deal with it.



reply by
Zionist for Peace
6/4/2002 (14:26)
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mellowout - you are right. There is an awful lot of ugly racism in this place. It's sadly all over. People feel it is now ok to refer to people as niggers, sand niggers, kikes, yids, ZioNazis, PaliNazis, camel fuckers. I have read a lot of trash.

It seems that those who really hate others take advantage of these situations.

They make excuses that others call them names and then use that to defame and demonize an entire group of people.

there is a particular person I read on MER - named Wisso - who is particularly vulgar and idiotic. I refuse however to believe that he is representative of all Arab or Muslim people.

Those who claim that they are just responding in kind are either weak or just looking for an excuse to express their hatred. Which we all know is part of their self-hatred.

Peace.

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Wisso
6/4/2002 (15:36)
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hey Zionist

yer name sais it all...ZIONIST..ur the fucker Who stole my neighboors land..ur the fucker who invaded my country ./..ur the fucker who still occupies part of it..ur the fucker who occupies the golan hight wich is my neighbooors land...yer the fucker who masacre palesitnians everyday..becose of u fucker..we arabs have an image of being bad terrorist ....cos of u fucker...my country gets attacked every year by yer occuping forces in southern lebanon

So do i have the right to HATE u??
i think i do

Do i have the right to be angrey?..i think i do

Do i have the right to swear at u..? i think i do since u pigs do not deserve any respects from me thats why i am so vulgar..

SO FUCK u again for being a racist zionist pig and i hope u die no matter what....
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Zionist
6/4/2002 (15:57)
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Nice language wisso.

You make my point better than I could.

I am a Zionist. I believe in a homeland for the Jews.

That doesn't make me a racist. I can also support a homeland for the Palestinian people. The two are not incompatible. Hateful people like you have turned the name Zionist into racist the same way the media has turned the name Arab into terrorist.

Do you have a right to be angry? Sure, why not. So do a lot of folks. The Jews sure do.

But to move on you are going to have to get over it. Otherwise you are going to ruin the entire world.

Islam has to change. It is an aggressive religion that aims to dominate. It is not compatible with Western democracies. Islam needs to evolve the way Judaism and Christianity have. You don't need to stop being Muslim, you just need to understand Islam as one of several way towards enlightenment and not needing to dominate others.

And sorry to disappoint you wisso, but I intend and hope to live a nice long life helping other people.

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ARAB
6/4/2002 (16:03)
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So Mellowout.. ur Lebanese.

yeah Lebanon is Arab. No matter what ur friends say. The ones who lost the war. The ones who were betrayed like dogs by the same israelis u eulogize.

I knew u were lebanese. Only a pro-israeli lebanese would hold those racist views.
I am lebanese too. And i didnt emigrate to become a nobody like you in the US of A.I dont have to prove every 10 minutes that im not muslim bcoz the yanks have never heard of lebanon.I stand up for my country,and for my people.

True. Lebanon is under syrian occupation. but its not you or your israeli friends who will put things straight. Its the people who stayed, the people who believe in democracy and human rights. The fight for freedom in Lebanon is the fight for palestinian in their homeland.

Make no mistake.;)

ps:tareek el kodes tamorr fee jounieh

habibe
reply by
Free Lebanon
6/4/2002 (16:15)
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JIHAD SLEIMAN'S DEPOSITION


My name is Jihaad Sleimaan. I was in charge of the Security of Dr. Samir Geagea, the leader of the Lebanese Forces. I would like to speak about the conditions of my incarceration in the Ministry of Defense in Lebanon.

On the 28th of March 1994, we were besieged in Ghodras (the headquarters of the L.F.). Whilst I was leaving the area, I was arrested by the Lebanese Army. They gave my name on the wireless then a group arrived, took hold of me and covered my head with my jacket. I was thrown inside the Jeep and taken to the Ministry of Defense. There was no arrest warrant issued. On the way I was beaten up violently and my covered head was being kicked repeatedly by the soldiers. When we arrived to destination a soldier took hold of me whilst being blindfolded and ordered me to run rapidly with him whilst guiding me. I smashed head on onto a wall and collapsed onto the ground in the midst of laughter from soldiers who did not know my name. I was beaten with the base of rifles until blood came out of my hand. Four to five hours later and whilst I was standing blindfolded, I was summoned for interrogation. After I have been relieved from the blindfold I saw an officer who told me: ' You're now in the Intelligence Section of the Ministry of Defense, we do not want anything from you but you need to answer every question we ask, It is the only way you will enter decent and respected and you'll walk out clean and whole. Do not give us any reason to show you the other alternative...'They called onto a jailer (and here I would like to mention, after 90 days experience, that every jailer was nick-named ATTIEH). They shouted ' Attieh Blindfold him, take him to the bathroom, give him a pad of about one thousand paper and tell him what to do'. The jailer took me and threw me onto the floor of a bathroom, he handed me the pad and told me:' You've got to fill up all these papers and you've got to tell us all the sh… you’ ve done, all the atrocities that you've perpetuated in your life, all those you've assassinated, all the drugs that you've taken, the thefts, the women you raped, everything that your master Samir Geagea delegated you to perform: the killings, the bombings, the assassinations, etc.. and if you do not write, poor thing, you'll never know what will happen to you ' . I took the pad and started detailing the period of my life with the Lebanese Forces starting from 1980 until the present date .I filled about 20 pages and handed them to the interrogator. About One minute passed before he shouted at me ' what is this? Are you laughing at us? Don't you know that we are aware of all this? We want the atrocities that you've perpetuated, we want everything that your master Samir Geagea ordered you to execute: the people that you killed; tell us how you bombed the church , how you killed president René Moawwad, Dany Chamoun, how you assassinated Rachid Karameh, you have to tell us all that in details , I am going to give you one more chance ; go and write again.'

I took the pad again wondering what else to write especially when I was certain that we had absolutely nothing to do with all these crimes ...so I started thinking : I already told everything on the Lebanese Forces and on my role within it , about how the Lebanese Forces changed from a militia into an institution , about the rehabilitation programs , about the political school , about the military college and the graduation of Officers ,about the social and charitable programs like the public transport , the twinning program , the medical and educational subsidies , I even told them about our structure and the who is who in our hierarchy , I detailed my training , the battles I fought, the duties I assumed in the Military Police and all the details of the period in Ghodras , the Guards stations , the different offices , even the details of Dr. Geagea's home .

I felt I had nothing more to say ; I knew that the Lebanese Forces had nothing to do with all the killings, the bombings and the atrocities mentioned . I felt that a big scenario is being prepared and that they need to use me in order to arrest Dr. Geagea . I handed him the pad back . He said ' Atieh , it seems that this animal is not understanding us . In any case he will be made to understand. Does he think himself more important than Fuad Malek ?' ; and here the long road of Calvary started .

Atieh took me and the torture began. I do not know where to start from ... The first thing I remember was being tied unto a chair with my feet caught between the seat and the back and being hit on the sole of my feet with an electric wire until my feet were bleeding profusely . He then untied me and threw me into a cell and told me ' I am giving you 10 minutes , think hard and tell us what you've been asked to execute recently by Dr. Samir Geagea. If we do not get what we want after those 10 minutes, you'll experience something you don't like'.

The 10 minutes passed and I gave the same answer as before :' I was not asked to execute any mission that involved any illegal attack on security or order.' The jailer took me and hanged me on the Ballanco ( later in the conference our friend Fadi will explain to you the details of the Ballanco ). It is indeed the most difficult tool of torture that I suffered and I suppose this is true also for all my friends who were detained in the Ministry. The interrogator told me :' you will not come down of there until you start speaking .' Here I would like to stress that those interrogators arrest people and accuse them of all imaginable crimes ;Their end target was to formulate a scenario and extort all its predetermined elements through degrees of torture little by little until the victim learns the lesson and follows neatly their plan...They started increasing the dose of torture and used a variety of methods . More than once they told me : ' Speak and have pity on yourself because you have one of two alternatives : either ending up in the Lunatic asylum like Georges Alam or becoming paralysed and your relatives will visit you in the disabled centre of Beit Chabab ' .

I first thought that these threats were exaggerated but slowly the Calvary became more and more heavy . After the beatings I progressed unto the 'Balanco' from there a new method called the ' Magic Carpet ' ( Fadi will tell you more about it ) was used at the end of which I was thrown into a cell with bilateral sprained and greatly swollen ankles . A person entered the cell and asked me if I was ill .' Do you need a doctor ? Do you lack anything ? ' I answered 'my legs are hurting ' he asked me why ? , I did not dare and tell him that the reason was torture . I answered ' because of a missed step ' he replied ' a missed step or the beatings on the soles?' I said ' the torture Sir ' he replied ' it seems that you are not accustomed to tell the truth ' he started shouting at me ' if you do not tell them what they want , you are to suffer even more ' he left and I knew that this was the Medical doctor ! . The interrogator returned and told me ' I will try and speak to you once more . We possess reliable information that you and few others from Ghodras know in details everything about Dr. Geagea . You have to tell us everything '. I replied ' I said everything I knew already ' .He called unto Attieh and ordered him to do a good job . Attieh knows very well that in order to please his master he will induce the most suffering imaginable . He asks me to undress completely and wash and then orders me to bend forward in order to introduce a bottle in my back passage . I started begging him and implored him not to ; another one arrived and started whipping me ; a third one started punching me . They brought the bottle and put it underneath me and ordered me to sit on it . I started shouting ; here an interrogator came I begged him to give me time to speak . He took me and said ' Son ,we do not want anything from you personally , you are very small fish . We want the head of your leader ;we want to crush him . Nobody is allowed to stand in our way . You will tell us how you bombed the Church ' I answered ' But Sir , I know absolutely nothing on the whole question of the Church . I never took part or Knew of anything that related to it or other illegal activities ' He said ' I am trying to help you . why suffer all this torture because they are determined and they know that you took part in the bombing . Tell us or else it will be very difficult on you ' . I reiterated my innocence and the certainty that we had nothing to do with this . I detailed the meetings of Dr. Geagea in support of our innocence. He replied ' In this case I wash my hands from you and let ' the butcher ' take over '.

The butcher is an interrogator . Others were nicknamed Hitler , Romel etc... The butcher ordered to hang me onto the 'Ballanco' once more . The Calvary started again .He left me hanging for about half an hour during which I was crying and shouting in pain. He came back and said ' You have bombed the church isn't it ?' I told him ' As you wish Sir, anything you say Sir ' . and thus in a moment of weakness and pain I crumbled and accepted to say what they want me to say in order to avoid any further suffering . I felt that whatever I am obliged to do now I would refute later on in Court . From there on I agreed to everything : that I killed president Moawwad,( they were insisting at first to accuse me and the Lebanese forces then they dropped this accusation ? ) ; that we killed Mr. Karami (the prime Minister) ;They tortured me very much to confess that I killed Monsignor Khoreish only to realise later after my release that I was in Germany at the time of the killing .They accused me of killing Mr. Dany Chamoun . During all this time I was hearing the same methods of interrogation and the same questions being asked to other friends of mine who were responding that they knew absolutely nothing about it .

Returning to the Church bombing , and after collapsing into submission he was asking me ' you brought the time fuses didn't you ? ' I answered ' yes sir ' He said ' to whom did you give them ' I answered ' I brought the time fuses and gave them to Joseph Rizk ' Here the interrogator was seemingly satisfied that I was beginning to understand them so they started to increase the level of torture and intimidation he said ' Son this does not fit in well . It is not Joseph Rizk that took the time fuses it was Dr. Geagea wasn't it ? ' I answered ' Yes Samir Geagea Sir . I brought the time fuses and gave them to Samir Geagea .' He replied ' Samir Geagea is not going to keep the time fuses in his office is he? he told you to give them to an engineering officer isn't it animal ?

I felt that everything was being drawn according to a predetermined scenario at the end of which anybody will deduce that Dr. Geagea was behind the bombing of the Church. From there on I remember well that between each and every word I was being subjected to electrical shocks , I still carry on my body the evidence of all this.

I was always hoping to renounce all these fabricated confessions in front of the Judge of Interrogation or the Court within a fair system of Justice. So when they were threatening me about referral to the Judge I hoped ,deep into my heart , to be able to escape from the hell I was living into and tell the whole truth . I was looking forward to be moved to a civil jail and then I will be able to consult with a lawyer . I should also stress that until this time I was prevented from receiving any visitor , family or lawyer.

On one occasion I gathered all my strength again , and whilst praying I decided to fight back. I waited to be seen by the Judge again and told him 'all my depositions were made under duress. If you want the truth I do not have anything to do with all these bombings , assassinations or anything else'. After this they took me again through the road to Calvary with more and more sophisticated torture. During all the period from 28/03/94 till 16/04/1994 I was kept standing, deprived of food , water and sleep for a span of three to four days at a time. I was naked ,blindfolded, my hands were tied behind my back whilst I was facing the wall with my legs widely spread apart. They used to walk on my toes ,electrocute me at will and at times when I could take no more I used to collapse on the floor . I also experienced a weird feeling of detachment from my environment called in medical terms a Trance or Fugue. I imagined myself back in Ghodres assuming my usual responsibilities. They used here to hit me and kick me on the head .They used to come and wake me up with electric shocks. I know during one of those times I collapsed and was wounded on my head. It was a big ,deep wound ; they carried me , threw me back into my cell and left me to sleep for a long time. They woke me up and asked me to get dressed and try to make myself look smart. I thought my parents or somebody else was coming to see me at last. They took me to a room and removed my blindfold. I saw in front of me a man dressed in civil clothes. I knew him straight away he was the interrogation judge Joseph Freiha. I had seen him on TV, before my arrest, making declarations and accusing the Lebanese forces of the church bombing. He said to me: 'Stand up and put your hands behind your back, son.' I blessed myself and did as he asked. He looked at me and started shaking his head saying' If you see me in civil clothes , do not think you can take any advantage.' 'No Sir. , But this is a new and different environment . It is only for this reason that I blessed myself ' I replied . Then he started the interrogation, I quickly realised that nothing had changed. From the room of Judge Freiha you could still hear the screaming and crying from the other rooms, as before, it was so loud on one occasion that the Judge had to ask the soldiers in the room to go and calm it down so that we could hear each other. Despite all this, I was still hoping the judge was going to move me into a civil jail and allow me to appoint a lawyer for myself or release me because I was innocent. I was grabbing at straws. All of a sudden, after a silence, the screaming recommenced from the next room. I recognised the voice of my friend Fawzi Al Rassi. I could hear Fawzi saying ' I had nothing to do with the story of Dany Chamoun, I know nothing about it '. I heard another voice ordering: ' Attieh, hang him on the Ballanco , I heard a noise which sounded like they were hanging someone on the Balanco. I could hear from the screams that they were electrocuting him ; I heard another one say ' Get the acid, and dip his feet in little by little'. I could hear Fawzi screaming in terror, 'NO, NO,' then suddenly his voice stopped . I heard lots of movements but I never heard his voice again. I didn't know then what happened but I found out after I have been released that he died on that day at their hands ... When the judge had finished with me, they took me to the corridor and made me stand facing the wall . Someone gave me a sandwich ; a man called 'The big Master' the head of the Intelligence unit ,the officer Jamil Sayed passed and saw me eating. ( They used to call me Abou Hamam-The father of pigeons ). He said ' who allowed him to eat or sleep before he tells the truth'. I told him ' Sir I just told the judge all what I know' he replied ' What truth is that. The judge himself asked us to punish you. Now you will not sleep or eat....' One of the guards grabbed the sandwich from my hand and I know that for more than three days they kept me standing with my legs spread open without food or drink until I collapsed unconscious on the floor .

Because of the lack of food and sleep and because of the torture they realised I was beginning to break down. They devised a new method of torture whereby they made me stand, arms and feet apart, and scream ' The Pigeons are Flying ' and lower my arms screaming ' The Pigeons are landing' thus the naming of Abou Hamam . This was repeated endlessly for days and nights . I lost my sense of time . Because I was dehydrated, my mouth was so dry at times that I could not speak, they responded by giving me electric shocks or punching or lashing me with the whip. They used to gather , seven or eight of them , to watch the show. The name Abou Hamam was given to me for seventy days at least in the Ministry of Defense. They treated me like a clown. When they began to allow me to sleep, one of them used to wake me up and told me I had an interrogation. He would blindfold me, cuff me and say to me ' Fly fly bird...' They used to make me sing. I used to hear the ' big master' and all his subjects laughing.

Because I was an officer in the headquarters of the Lebanese Forces, I knew most of the people that were arrested in this section i.e. around 70/80. Every time there was a new prisoner they would make me go into a room with them and say whatever they told me. They would ask me questions and make me repeat pre-prepared answers to demoralize the new prisoners. They would make me say that their wives or mothers were having affairs with X,Y,Z. They would ask the new prisoner ' Do you know Jihad Sleiman, he would reply ' Yes he's an officer in Ghodras' ( Headquarters of the Lebanese Forces). They would say 'look what has happened to him. If you don't tell us what we want ( meaning their prepared statement) the same thing will happen to you ' . The interrogator would then scream ' Bring Abou Hamam'. When the boys saw me they were afraid and demoralised and would begin telling stories thinking it would save them from the same torture. They would call me three or four times a day to play this game . I know this is what happened to the prisoners: Rafiq Saade ,Kamil Karam , Girges El Khoury , Hanna Attiq and many others .

What I want to say now is very important . They were pushing me to admit my involvement in the bombing of the church and the assassination of Dany Chamoun and his family telling me I would be released if I said that. Because, according to them, I was very small fish and they didn't want me, they wanted (the head) my boss. I denied my involvement .one of the soldiers said ' Sir , its ok ,The animal in the other room just admitted his involvement in Chamoun's case.' The investigator would turn to me and say ' Admit you've done the church and let's finish. Then you can go home. We know you're just a soldier following orders. We will bring your boss to the prison.'

It was one month before I was allowed to see a lawyer and instruct him to defend me. Even then they did not allow him to talk to me .They asked him to obtain a permission from the interrogation judge before he saw me again. After a few days my interrogator said to me ' Abou Hamam, they are saying outside you are either dead or crazy and now they are sending one of your religious people in black, you call him what, a priest or a bishop?? to ask about you. Now you are going to meet him. You will tell him everything is OK. and there is no torture whatsoever . If you don't we will kill you when he has gone. You tell him you're here for questioning because the party you belong to is involved in serious allegations ' . They took me up I saw the Bishop, Bechara Al-Rahi, sitting between the two judges, Freiha and Hounein, and a few other people. The judges were telling him ' Don't worry Father we're the protectors of the Christians and the boys are OK in here. I had to tell the Bishop that everything was OK. The Bishop told me he was going to tell this to the press. When we had finished they sent for me. The interrogator said' Good you've done well. Not like this animal Hanna Atiq who said things he shouldn't have. It comes to my mind now that my old friend Hanna Attiq ended up a few days later in hospital in a coma for 10 days.

After that event they were easier with me, but I could always hear my friends screaming ' I don't know', this is the truth' or ' Mother Mary, Jesus please save us.' I could hear the interrogator saying to them ' Forget it, neither Jesus nor Mary are going to help you here. Screaming won't help. Here you have to say 'Yes Sir', and tell us about the involvement of Samir Geagea '.

Every time I heard the screams I couldn't eat or sleep. I stayed there for 90 days hoping that they would move me to a civil prison. Every time I heard someone scream when he was on the Ballanco or being electrocuted or I heard the squeak of a door I would feel a terrible pain in my stomach, I would shiver. I felt at the edge of utter despair trying to shut out the sounds of the screams. Even so I could hear every one of them, every electric shock.

I will describe this prison for you. There is a long corridor with 16 rooms full of prisoners. In the corridor were 50 prisoners cuffed , blindfolded and lying on the floor. Everyone could hear all the interrogations, the torture, and the screams.

Finally it is really terrible that they are continuing with court cases built on statements signed by us under duress.

After torture we were forced to sign these statement, blindfolded, by a man called al Mukhtar (the mayor). The same man used to stand under the Ballanco with a piece of paper ; he would say ' sign this paper and go home or stay on the Balenko ' The same man used to hand those papers to the judge of interrogation . He belongs also to the Intelligence services .The interrogators were on very good terms with Judges and I know the judges were fully aware of the methods of interrogation used to obtain 'depositions'. At the end I saw the faces of my interrogators and I recognised them as the same men present in the office of Judge Freiha during my first appearance there .

I feel terribly bitter at being tortured for 90 days in the Ministry of Defense, accused of bombing a Church I had defended with everything I have for 15 years ,only to find that they wanted to put Dr. Geagea in Jail . I would like to challenge the Lebanese Government , through the Media present today , that with adequate guarantees I am prepared to face and challenge every person who was mentioned in this press conference with all the facts that were detailed and bear witness to the truth.



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Free Lebanon
6/4/2002 (16:15)
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JIHAD SLEIMAN'S DEPOSITION


My name is Jihaad Sleimaan. I was in charge of the Security of Dr. Samir Geagea, the leader of the Lebanese Forces. I would like to speak about the conditions of my incarceration in the Ministry of Defense in Lebanon.

On the 28th of March 1994, we were besieged in Ghodras (the headquarters of the L.F.). Whilst I was leaving the area, I was arrested by the Lebanese Army. They gave my name on the wireless then a group arrived, took hold of me and covered my head with my jacket. I was thrown inside the Jeep and taken to the Ministry of Defense. There was no arrest warrant issued. On the way I was beaten up violently and my covered head was being kicked repeatedly by the soldiers. When we arrived to destination a soldier took hold of me whilst being blindfolded and ordered me to run rapidly with him whilst guiding me. I smashed head on onto a wall and collapsed onto the ground in the midst of laughter from soldiers who did not know my name. I was beaten with the base of rifles until blood came out of my hand. Four to five hours later and whilst I was standing blindfolded, I was summoned for interrogation. After I have been relieved from the blindfold I saw an officer who told me: ' You're now in the Intelligence Section of the Ministry of Defense, we do not want anything from you but you need to answer every question we ask, It is the only way you will enter decent and respected and you'll walk out clean and whole. Do not give us any reason to show you the other alternative...'They called onto a jailer (and here I would like to mention, after 90 days experience, that every jailer was nick-named ATTIEH). They shouted ' Attieh Blindfold him, take him to the bathroom, give him a pad of about one thousand paper and tell him what to do'. The jailer took me and threw me onto the floor of a bathroom, he handed me the pad and told me:' You've got to fill up all these papers and you've got to tell us all the sh… you’ ve done, all the atrocities that you've perpetuated in your life, all those you've assassinated, all the drugs that you've taken, the thefts, the women you raped, everything that your master Samir Geagea delegated you to perform: the killings, the bombings, the assassinations, etc.. and if you do not write, poor thing, you'll never know what will happen to you ' . I took the pad and started detailing the period of my life with the Lebanese Forces starting from 1980 until the present date .I filled about 20 pages and handed them to the interrogator. About One minute passed before he shouted at me ' what is this? Are you laughing at us? Don't you know that we are aware of all this? We want the atrocities that you've perpetuated, we want everything that your master Samir Geagea ordered you to execute: the people that you killed; tell us how you bombed the church , how you killed president René Moawwad, Dany Chamoun, how you assassinated Rachid Karameh, you have to tell us all that in details , I am going to give you one more chance ; go and write again.'

I took the pad again wondering what else to write especially when I was certain that we had absolutely nothing to do with all these crimes ...so I started thinking : I already told everything on the Lebanese Forces and on my role within it , about how the Lebanese Forces changed from a militia into an institution , about the rehabilitation programs , about the political school , about the military college and the graduation of Officers ,about the social and charitable programs like the public transport , the twinning program , the medical and educational subsidies , I even told them about our structure and the who is who in our hierarchy , I detailed my training , the battles I fought, the duties I assumed in the Military Police and all the details of the period in Ghodras , the Guards stations , the different offices , even the details of Dr. Geagea's home .

I felt I had nothing more to say ; I knew that the Lebanese Forces had nothing to do with all the killings, the bombings and the atrocities mentioned . I felt that a big scenario is being prepared and that they need to use me in order to arrest Dr. Geagea . I handed him the pad back . He said ' Atieh , it seems that this animal is not understanding us . In any case he will be made to understand. Does he think himself more important than Fuad Malek ?' ; and here the long road of Calvary started .

Atieh took me and the torture began. I do not know where to start from ... The first thing I remember was being tied unto a chair with my feet caught between the seat and the back and being hit on the sole of my feet with an electric wire until my feet were bleeding profusely . He then untied me and threw me into a cell and told me ' I am giving you 10 minutes , think hard and tell us what you've been asked to execute recently by Dr. Samir Geagea. If we do not get what we want after those 10 minutes, you'll experience something you don't like'.

The 10 minutes passed and I gave the same answer as before :' I was not asked to execute any mission that involved any illegal attack on security or order.' The jailer took me and hanged me on the Ballanco ( later in the conference our friend Fadi will explain to you the details of the Ballanco ). It is indeed the most difficult tool of torture that I suffered and I suppose this is true also for all my friends who were detained in the Ministry. The interrogator told me :' you will not come down of there until you start speaking .' Here I would like to stress that those interrogators arrest people and accuse them of all imaginable crimes ;Their end target was to formulate a scenario and extort all its predetermined elements through degrees of torture little by little until the victim learns the lesson and follows neatly their plan...They started increasing the dose of torture and used a variety of methods . More than once they told me : ' Speak and have pity on yourself because you have one of two alternatives : either ending up in the Lunatic asylum like Georges Alam or becoming paralysed and your relatives will visit you in the disabled centre of Beit Chabab ' .

I first thought that these threats were exaggerated but slowly the Calvary became more and more heavy . After the beatings I progressed unto the 'Balanco' from there a new method called the ' Magic Carpet ' ( Fadi will tell you more about it ) was used at the end of which I was thrown into a cell with bilateral sprained and greatly swollen ankles . A person entered the cell and asked me if I was ill .' Do you need a doctor ? Do you lack anything ? ' I answered 'my legs are hurting ' he asked me why ? , I did not dare and tell him that the reason was torture . I answered ' because of a missed step ' he replied ' a missed step or the beatings on the soles?' I said ' the torture Sir ' he replied ' it seems that you are not accustomed to tell the truth ' he started shouting at me ' if you do not tell them what they want , you are to suffer even more ' he left and I knew that this was the Medical doctor ! . The interrogator returned and told me ' I will try and speak to you once more . We possess reliable information that you and few others from Ghodras know in details everything about Dr. Geagea . You have to tell us everything '. I replied ' I said everything I knew already ' .He called unto Attieh and ordered him to do a good job . Attieh knows very well that in order to please his master he will induce the most suffering imaginable . He asks me to undress completely and wash and then orders me to bend forward in order to introduce a bottle in my back passage . I started begging him and implored him not to ; another one arrived and started whipping me ; a third one started punching me . They brought the bottle and put it underneath me and ordered me to sit on it . I started shouting ; here an interrogator came I begged him to give me time to speak . He took me and said ' Son ,we do not want anything from you personally , you are very small fish . We want the head of your leader ;we want to crush him . Nobody is allowed to stand in our way . You will tell us how you bombed the Church ' I answered ' But Sir , I know absolutely nothing on the whole question of the Church . I never took part or Knew of anything that related to it or other illegal activities ' He said ' I am trying to help you . why suffer all this torture because they are determined and they know that you took part in the bombing . Tell us or else it will be very difficult on you ' . I reiterated my innocence and the certainty that we had nothing to do with this . I detailed the meetings of Dr. Geagea in support of our innocence. He replied ' In this case I wash my hands from you and let ' the butcher ' take over '.

The butcher is an interrogator . Others were nicknamed Hitler , Romel etc... The butcher ordered to hang me onto the 'Ballanco' once more . The Calvary started again .He left me hanging for about half an hour during which I was crying and shouting in pain. He came back and said ' You have bombed the church isn't it ?' I told him ' As you wish Sir, anything you say Sir ' . and thus in a moment of weakness and pain I crumbled and accepted to say what they want me to say in order to avoid any further suffering . I felt that whatever I am obliged to do now I would refute later on in Court . From there on I agreed to everything : that I killed president Moawwad,( they were insisting at first to accuse me and the Lebanese forces then they dropped this accusation ? ) ; that we killed Mr. Karami (the prime Minister) ;They tortured me very much to confess that I killed Monsignor Khoreish only to realise later after my release that I was in Germany at the time of the killing .They accused me of killing Mr. Dany Chamoun . During all this time I was hearing the same methods of interrogation and the same questions being asked to other friends of mine who were responding that they knew absolutely nothing about it .

Returning to the Church bombing , and after collapsing into submission he was asking me ' you brought the time fuses didn't you ? ' I answered ' yes sir ' He said ' to whom did you give them ' I answered ' I brought the time fuses and gave them to Joseph Rizk ' Here the interrogator was seemingly satisfied that I was beginning to understand them so they started to increase the level of torture and intimidation he said ' Son this does not fit in well . It is not Joseph Rizk that took the time fuses it was Dr. Geagea wasn't it ? ' I answered ' Yes Samir Geagea Sir . I brought the time fuses and gave them to Samir Geagea .' He replied ' Samir Geagea is not going to keep the time fuses in his office is he? he told you to give them to an engineering officer isn't it animal ?

I felt that everything was being drawn according to a predetermined scenario at the end of which anybody will deduce that Dr. Geagea was behind the bombing of the Church. From there on I remember well that between each and every word I was being subjected to electrical shocks , I still carry on my body the evidence of all this.

I was always hoping to renounce all these fabricated confessions in front of the Judge of Interrogation or the Court within a fair system of Justice. So when they were threatening me about referral to the Judge I hoped ,deep into my heart , to be able to escape from the hell I was living into and tell the whole truth . I was looking forward to be moved to a civil jail and then I will be able to consult with a lawyer . I should also stress that until this time I was prevented from receiving any visitor , family or lawyer.

On one occasion I gathered all my strength again , and whilst praying I decided to fight back. I waited to be seen by the Judge again and told him 'all my depositions were made under duress. If you want the truth I do not have anything to do with all these bombings , assassinations or anything else'. After this they took me again through the road to Calvary with more and more sophisticated torture. During all the period from 28/03/94 till 16/04/1994 I was kept standing, deprived of food , water and sleep for a span of three to four days at a time. I was naked ,blindfolded, my hands were tied behind my back whilst I was facing the wall with my legs widely spread apart. They used to walk on my toes ,electrocute me at will and at times when I could take no more I used to collapse on the floor . I also experienced a weird feeling of detachment from my environment called in medical terms a Trance or Fugue. I imagined myself back in Ghodres assuming my usual responsibilities. They used here to hit me and kick me on the head .They used to come and wake me up with electric shocks. I know during one of those times I collapsed and was wounded on my head. It was a big ,deep wound ; they carried me , threw me back into my cell and left me to sleep for a long time. They woke me up and asked me to get dressed and try to make myself look smart. I thought my parents or somebody else was coming to see me at last. They took me to a room and removed my blindfold. I saw in front of me a man dressed in civil clothes. I knew him straight away he was the interrogation judge Joseph Freiha. I had seen him on TV, before my arrest, making declarations and accusing the Lebanese forces of the church bombing. He said to me: 'Stand up and put your hands behind your back, son.' I blessed myself and did as he asked. He looked at me and started shaking his head saying' If you see me in civil clothes , do not think you can take any advantage.' 'No Sir. , But this is a new and different environment . It is only for this reason that I blessed myself ' I replied . Then he started the interrogation, I quickly realised that nothing had changed. From the room of Judge Freiha you could still hear the screaming and crying from the other rooms, as before, it was so loud on one occasion that the Judge had to ask the soldiers in the room to go and calm it down so that we could hear each other. Despite all this, I was still hoping the judge was going to move me into a civil jail and allow me to appoint a lawyer for myself or release me because I was innocent. I was grabbing at straws. All of a sudden, after a silence, the screaming recommenced from the next room. I recognised the voice of my friend Fawzi Al Rassi. I could hear Fawzi saying ' I had nothing to do with the story of Dany Chamoun, I know nothing about it '. I heard another voice ordering: ' Attieh, hang him on the Ballanco , I heard a noise which sounded like they were hanging someone on the Balanco. I could hear from the screams that they were electrocuting him ; I heard another one say ' Get the acid, and dip his feet in little by little'. I could hear Fawzi screaming in terror, 'NO, NO,' then suddenly his voice stopped . I heard lots of movements but I never heard his voice again. I didn't know then what happened but I found out after I have been released that he died on that day at their hands ... When the judge had finished with me, they took me to the corridor and made me stand facing the wall . Someone gave me a sandwich ; a man called 'The big Master' the head of the Intelligence unit ,the officer Jamil Sayed passed and saw me eating. ( They used to call me Abou Hamam-The father of pigeons ). He said ' who allowed him to eat or sleep before he tells the truth'. I told him ' Sir I just told the judge all what I know' he replied ' What truth is that. The judge himself asked us to punish you. Now you will not sleep or eat....' One of the guards grabbed the sandwich from my hand and I know that for more than three days they kept me standing with my legs spread open without food or drink until I collapsed unconscious on the floor .

Because of the lack of food and sleep and because of the torture they realised I was beginning to break down. They devised a new method of torture whereby they made me stand, arms and feet apart, and scream ' The Pigeons are Flying ' and lower my arms screaming ' The Pigeons are landing' thus the naming of Abou Hamam . This was repeated endlessly for days and nights . I lost my sense of time . Because I was dehydrated, my mouth was so dry at times that I could not speak, they responded by giving me electric shocks or punching or lashing me with the whip. They used to gather , seven or eight of them , to watch the show. The name Abou Hamam was given to me for seventy days at least in the Ministry of Defense. They treated me like a clown. When they began to allow me to sleep, one of them used to wake me up and told me I had an interrogation. He would blindfold me, cuff me and say to me ' Fly fly bird...' They used to make me sing. I used to hear the ' big master' and all his subjects laughing.

Because I was an officer in the headquarters of the Lebanese Forces, I knew most of the people that were arrested in this section i.e. around 70/80. Every time there was a new prisoner they would make me go into a room with them and say whatever they told me. They would ask me questions and make me repeat pre-prepared answers to demoralize the new prisoners. They would make me say that their wives or mothers were having affairs with X,Y,Z. They would ask the new prisoner ' Do you know Jihad Sleiman, he would reply ' Yes he's an officer in Ghodras' ( Headquarters of the Lebanese Forces). They would say 'look what has happened to him. If you don't tell us what we want ( meaning their prepared statement) the same thing will happen to you ' . The interrogator would then scream ' Bring Abou Hamam'. When the boys saw me they were afraid and demoralised and would begin telling stories thinking it would save them from the same torture. They would call me three or four times a day to play this game . I know this is what happened to the prisoners: Rafiq Saade ,Kamil Karam , Girges El Khoury , Hanna Attiq and many others .

What I want to say now is very important . They were pushing me to admit my involvement in the bombing of the church and the assassination of Dany Chamoun and his family telling me I would be released if I said that. Because, according to them, I was very small fish and they didn't want me, they wanted (the head) my boss. I denied my involvement .one of the soldiers said ' Sir , its ok ,The animal in the other room just admitted his involvement in Chamoun's case.' The investigator would turn to me and say ' Admit you've done the church and let's finish. Then you can go home. We know you're just a soldier following orders. We will bring your boss to the prison.'

It was one month before I was allowed to see a lawyer and instruct him to defend me. Even then they did not allow him to talk to me .They asked him to obtain a permission from the interrogation judge before he saw me again. After a few days my interrogator said to me ' Abou Hamam, they are saying outside you are either dead or crazy and now they are sending one of your religious people in black, you call him what, a priest or a bishop?? to ask about you. Now you are going to meet him. You will tell him everything is OK. and there is no torture whatsoever . If you don't we will kill you when he has gone. You tell him you're here for questioning because the party you belong to is involved in serious allegations ' . They took me up I saw the Bishop, Bechara Al-Rahi, sitting between the two judges, Freiha and Hounein, and a few other people. The judges were telling him ' Don't worry Father we're the protectors of the Christians and the boys are OK in here. I had to tell the Bishop that everything was OK. The Bishop told me he was going to tell this to the press. When we had finished they sent for me. The interrogator said' Good you've done well. Not like this animal Hanna Atiq who said things he shouldn't have. It comes to my mind now that my old friend Hanna Attiq ended up a few days later in hospital in a coma for 10 days.

After that event they were easier with me, but I could always hear my friends screaming ' I don't know', this is the truth' or ' Mother Mary, Jesus please save us.' I could hear the interrogator saying to them ' Forget it, neither Jesus nor Mary are going to help you here. Screaming won't help. Here you have to say 'Yes Sir', and tell us about the involvement of Samir Geagea '.

Every time I heard the screams I couldn't eat or sleep. I stayed there for 90 days hoping that they would move me to a civil prison. Every time I heard someone scream when he was on the Ballanco or being electrocuted or I heard the squeak of a door I would feel a terrible pain in my stomach, I would shiver. I felt at the edge of utter despair trying to shut out the sounds of the screams. Even so I could hear every one of them, every electric shock.

I will describe this prison for you. There is a long corridor with 16 rooms full of prisoners. In the corridor were 50 prisoners cuffed , blindfolded and lying on the floor. Everyone could hear all the interrogations, the torture, and the screams.

Finally it is really terrible that they are continuing with court cases built on statements signed by us under duress.

After torture we were forced to sign these statement, blindfolded, by a man called al Mukhtar (the mayor). The same man used to stand under the Ballanco with a piece of paper ; he would say ' sign this paper and go home or stay on the Balenko ' The same man used to hand those papers to the judge of interrogation . He belongs also to the Intelligence services .The interrogators were on very good terms with Judges and I know the judges were fully aware of the methods of interrogation used to obtain 'depositions'. At the end I saw the faces of my interrogators and I recognised them as the same men present in the office of Judge Freiha during my first appearance there .

I feel terribly bitter at being tortured for 90 days in the Ministry of Defense, accused of bombing a Church I had defended with everything I have for 15 years ,only to find that they wanted to put Dr. Geagea in Jail . I would like to challenge the Lebanese Government , through the Media present today , that with adequate guarantees I am prepared to face and challenge every person who was mentioned in this press conference with all the facts that were detailed and bear witness to the truth.



reply by
Wisso
6/4/2002 (17:10)
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Well Zionist by beliving a homeland for the jews...then u just indirectly prooved that yer one self centered bastard who doesnt deserve to live..

By beliving in a homeland for jew.s..u r saying that it s okay for jews to come and STEAL someone ELSE s terriroty no matter what they say.....THIS A RACIST ideology...Jews have no place in the mid east...THEY DO not LOOK like Mid EASTERN...they R the ONLY REAL WHITE ppl int eh mid east...Most of israelies havve a second citizenship elsewheere...95% of jews in israel have not more then 2 generations in israel..>WHAT DOES THAT tells u..>THEY HAVE STOLEN OUR LAND...

And PLEASE ZIONIST PIG..Do nto start talking about ISLAM...U HAVE NEVER red the quran..u Dont know a single shit abotu islam...

And in cas eu didnt know fuckface..>When ARABS were in SPAIN ...jews and moslims lived togheter in peace....what happened after Christians took it back?? JEWS THNE MOVED with MOSLIMS into MOROCCO!!!
thats why so many j4ews live in Morocco..cos they had the best conditions there..

ISLAM is a religion of TOLERANCE and it s the only RELIGION who accepted any human no matter what Color, religion he is...

WHO M
So instead of talking bullshit without having one paragraph of ISLAM...put yerself in an oven and bake yerself u no good garbage!!!

And to that guy that pretends he s lebanees and supports israel..

KISS EM eli khalaak ya akhou maniouk... ayre fik ya zobby...inchallah teftass 3aboukra ya ebn kahba!!!

First i know yer not lebanees...Second, you deserve to die as well as all yer zionist brothers u stinkin jewish fuckfaced whore!!
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Zionist
6/4/2002 (18:37)
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Depsite your protestations Wisso I am choosing to live. Just as Israel is.
Israel has a right to exist. The only way you can destroy her is to destroy the entire Middle East. Is that what you want?

Israel is made up Jews, Arabs, Druze, Bedouins, Christians, Blacks, Whites, Ashkenazi, Sephardim. Many Israeli families have roots that go back thousands of years.
Doesn't matter anyways. Israel is here to stay. Go have a good cry and come back when you are ready to play nice.

reply by
Wisso
6/4/2002 (19:10)
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As usuall u still are avoiding the very fondamental quesiton

WHY DOES IT HAVE THE RIGHTto exist... WHYYYYY JUST WHY SHOUDL THEY HAVE TO TAKE OVER SOMEONE ELSES TERRIROTRY U PIGHEAD!!!! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

reply by
ADAM
6/4/2002 (20:28)
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WISSO, JEWS HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO EXIST AS EVERY ARAB DOES, BUT JUST AS ZIONIST MENTIONED ABOVE, IF ARABS 'TRY' TO DESTROY ISRAEL, THEN IDF & IAF WILL HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO SEND ALL ARABS TO A PLACE WHERE NO ONE CAN EVER FIND THEM!!
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..zIONISTS BELIEVE...
6/4/2002 (20:43)
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zIONISTS BELIEVE That land belongs to Jews ALONE !!!... So ANY Jew living ANY where inthe world can have instant citizenship !!!...Yet the indigenous people have their homes & orchards bulldozed... In the middle of the night with no notice !!! ... And eventually STOLEN !!! With the eventual goal of ethnically cleansing them from the land... ... palestineremembered.com .. deiryassin.org ... jewishtribalreview.org ...
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...zIONIST PLAN of ETHNIC CLEANSING
6/4/2002 (20:48)
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The zIONIST plan of ethnically cleansing the Arabs from the land started from the very beginning ... See... Hebron.com ... cactus48.com ... occupied.org ... reportersnotebook.com ...
reply by
Wisso
6/4/2002 (21:30)
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ADAm..either ur STURBERN, STUPID or ur doing it on prupose...

'jews have the same right to live there as arabs???????'

ARE U STUPID or what....

arabs r the NATIVE ppl of this LAND...THEY were the first and the REAL...

Israelie jews r on the other hand...etiehr originaly from EUROP, AMERICA or Northern Africa...THEY R not originally FROM THERE....

IF I GO TO YER HOUSE ONE DAY AFTERNOONE AND DECIDED it was MY house from now on...would i have the right to exist in yer house?? WELL tell me the diffrence between MY action and JEWS action with the creation of israel

Tell me the diffrence between me steelign a home and living in it...and the creation of ISRAEL
reply by
ADAM
6/4/2002 (23:28)
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WISSO, WISSO.... JEWS ARE THERE TO STAY. JUST TRY TO SWOLLOW THE REALITY PILL. DON'T MESS WITH ISRAELIS. FOR YOURS & OTHERS SAKE PLEASE LEAVE THEM BE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!
ARABS BY HAVING THE SOVIETS ON THEIR SIDE COULD NOT ACHIVE ANYTHING, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO FIGHT THE MIGHTY IDF BY THEIR OWN?!! HEY MAYBE THEY SHOULD TRY THEIR LUCK AGAIN!
P.S. I DON'T BELIEVE IN LUCK!
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Lynette
6/4/2002 (23:55)
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first off Lynette
you are a moron you are a racist moron at that and ill leave it at that.


Prove where I am the RACIST mellow?
I hate Zionism and EVERYTHING that organisation stands for. If you r a comitted ZIONIST,then yes,I hate ur political guts! );]
reply by
Zionist
6/5/2002 (1:11)
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Wisso - Jewish people have lived in Israel for over 4000 years. Most of the Jewish people were forced by the Romans to leave Israel and had to take up in other lands. They mixed with the peoples of these other lands but never lost their identity as Jews and their connection to the land of Israel. When racists like Lynette and her ilk decided to regularly blame Jews for all the problems in the world and to kill them in massive numbers, the Jews realized they must return home. The vast majority of the Jews were happy to share the land with their Arab cousins, but the Arabs, somewhat understandably were pissed off, and sadly decided to destroy the Jews. Bad move for them. They lost. And they kept trying and kept losing. You people make a great falafel and have some beautiful women, but you suck as fighters. Still, millions of Zionists were willing to live in peace with you in your own state. Sadly some Zionists were chauvinistic and wanted all of the land for themselves. They represented a minority, but because you ding dongs kept trying to destroy Israel you made it hard to oppose them. Now millions of Zionists still want to live in peace with Palestinians in their own state next to Israel, but you people continue to just want to wage war. You are always telling us that you are going to kill us and that it is just a matter of time before you come in and push us into the sea. You Wisso say this all the time. Then you cry like little babies when we take the necessary steps to protect ourselves.
Lynette - If you hate Zionism than you are a bigoted, hateful woman. Zionism is about love and caring and protecting your children and parents from evil people who would kill them. Sure there are some bad zionists, but there are bad people in every group. You probably hate extreme right wing Likudniks and religious extremists. Say that, but when you besmirch the word Zionist you come off as a hateful fascist. Zionists support Palestinians and want to love them as neighbors and cousins. When Palestinians try to kill zionists and demonize us, what do they expect to get back in return? Kisses?

ADAM is right. Israel is here. It's not going away. The longer you live in your fantasy the less of a state you will have for yourselves and the more innocent blood you will cause to flow.
reply by
ARAB
6/5/2002 (3:53)
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So Free Lebanon thinks that by supporting the israelis he will liberate his jailed leader.

What a poor strategy.

Only by standing for the right of others can you claim for your own rights.

The Racist state of Israel is the enemy. Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow.
reply by
Zionist
6/5/2002 (9:40)
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Israel is not a racist state.

Christian Lebanese citizens that are persecuted by their Muslim countrymen now serve proudly in the Israeli Defense Forces. They are actually some of the most hard ass IDF soldiers. The Christian Lebanese and Christian Palestinians have worked with the Israelis to watch each other's back from the Muslim extremists. Look for more cooperation between these groups as the Muslim extremists gain even more power in the Palestinian authority.
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... Israeli Treachery ...
6/5/2002 (10:24)
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The Christian PHalangists were allied with A.S.S haron and did his dirty work in killing thousnds of Palestinians during the Israeli Occupation of Lebanon. ... cactus48.com ... palestinehistory.com ..
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Free Lebanon
6/5/2002 (10:31)
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Much was made recently of Israel´s decision to prevent PLO leader Yasir Arafat from attending Christmas services in Bethlehem. A casual reader can easily assume that Arafat is supportive of Christians and Israel barring his presence is an affront to religious sensitivities the world over. However, Islam in general is not at all receptive to infidels, Jewish or Christian, as can be seen in the pogroms targeting Christians throughout the Muslim world - be it Egypt, the Sudan, Mauritania, the Philippines, East Timor and other countries too numerous to mention. Can Arafat be an exception? Hardly. Arafat’s “concern” for Christians is demonstrated by his past and current actions, whenever and wherever Christians come under his control.

The most recently reported incident of Arafat’s disdain for Christian sensitivities occurred in Jerusalem in 1997, when the Palestinian Authority-appointed Waqf (Moslem religious property) authorities attempted to break through into the Church of the Holy Sepulcher from the adjacent al-Hanaqa Mosque. Demonstrating their contempt, the Waqf authorities decided to install a latrine on the roof of the Church. According to a May 11, 1997, report in Ha’aretz, “A Waqf internal report, written two weeks ago by the Waqf´s Jerusalem engineer, ´Isam ´Awad, confirms many of the Christians´ claims in the conflict that has emerged adjacent to the Holy Sepulcher Church regarding construction in the Church. The Church’s claim that the Waqf has harmed the historical and architectural substance of the Holy Sepulcher, as a result of a construction addition to the courtyard of the ‘Hanaqa,’ which leans on the wall of the Holy Sepulcher and even darkens it by its height.”

Israel attempted to calm down the conflict after the Churches complained and issued a work stoppage order against it, which was promptly ignored. The same Ha’aretz story reported that “The Jerusalem district archeologist in the Antiquities Authority, John Zeligman, wrote to the Waqf director, ´Adnan Husayni, pointing out to the Waqf the damage to a site that is declared to be an antiquity and threatens to go to law if work is not halted immediately.´” Finally, the illegal construction was halted due to Israeli and world pressure, but we can be certain that without such pressure the desecration would have continued.

The obvious question is why would Arafat attempt to control Christian religious sites in Jerusalem, then and now, as he knew there would be severe protests at his actions? One explanation was given by another Ha’aretz article from July 13, 2000: “Yasser Arafat also understands that the churches are a hidden treasure of international influence, or as the Israeli document puts it: ‘Whoever controls the Christian holy sites in Jerusalem - controls the hearts of policy makers in the Western world.’ That is why he enlisted leaders of the Arab world in the battle to conclude the fight over the protest tent in Nazareth [where Moslems want to establish a mosque on contested land in front of a church – ed.]. It was important for him to prove that Muslims can live together with Christians and that a Palestinian administration is able to handle inter-religious crises better than the Israeli administration.”

However, these recent attempts by Arafat to control the local Christian populations in Israel are little more than a pale reflection of his actions in Lebanon. Genocidal anti-Christian brutality in Lebanon was never more vividly apparent than in the town of Damour, about 20 kilometers south of Beirut. Before the arrival of the PLO, it was a town of some 25,000 people, with five churches, three chapels, seven schools, both private and public, and one public hospital, where Muslims from near by villages were treated along with the Christians, at the expense of the town.

On 9 January 1976, the priest of Damour, Father Mansour Labaky, was carrying out a Maronite (Roman Catholics) custom of blessing the houses with holy water when a bullet whistled past his ear and hit one of the houses. He soon learned that the town was surrounded by the forces of Sa´iqa, a PLO terrorist group affiliated with Syria. The shooting and shelling continued all day. When Father Labaky telephoned a local Muslim sheikh and asked him, as a fellow religious leader, what he could do to help the people of the town, the sheikh replied, “I can do nothing. They want to harm you. It is the Palestinians. I cannot stop them.” Other Lebanese politicians, of both the Left and the Right, proved equally unhelpful, offering only apologies and commiserations. Kamal Jumblatt, in whose parliamentary constituency Damour lay, told Labaky, “Father, I can do nothing for you, because it depends on Yasser Arafat.” The Maronite priest then called Arafat’s headquarters, but was deferred to a subordinate, who told him “Father, don´t worry. We don´t want to harm you. If we are destroying you it is for strategic reasons.” Not any more relieved because the destruction was for strategic reasons, the priest persisted in asking for Arafat to call off his fighters. Finally, the aide said that PLO headquarters would “tell them to stop shooting.”

That promise was made at about eleven in the evening. After another half-hour of shelling and shooting, Damour’s telephone service, water and electricity were all cut off. The first invasion of the town came after midnight. The Sa´iqa militiamen stormed into civilian homes, massacring some fifty people and taking over part of the town. Father Labaky described the carnage, “In the morning I managed to get to the one house despite the shelling to bring out some of the corpses… An entire family had been killed, the Can´an family, four children all dead, and the mother, the father, and the grandfather. The mother was still hugging one of the children. And she was pregnant. The eyes of the

children were gone and their limbs were cut off… It was awful.” Two hundred and twenty-five young men, most of them about sixteen years old, armed with hunting guns and none with military training, tried to defend the town from Arafat’s men. They held out for twelve days, while citizens huddled in basements, sandbags piled in front of their doors and ground-floor windows. The Palestinians cut off food and water supplies and refused to allow the Red Cross to take out the wounded, as infants and children died of dehydration.

Then, on January 23, the final onslaught came.

Father Labaky described the assault, “It was an apocalypse. They were coming, thousands and thousands, shouting ´Allahu Akbar! God is great! Let us attack them for the Arabs, let us offer a holocaust to Mohammad.´ And they were slaughtering everyone in their path, men, women and children. Whole families were killed in their homes. Many women were gang-raped, and few of them left alive afterwards… As the atrocities were perpetrated, the invaders themselves took photographs and later offered the pictures for sale to European newspapers.” As if even the absolute limits of nature could not stop them, the invaders broke open tombs and flung the bones of the dead into the streets. Father Labaky told some 500 Damourians who gathered in the Church of St. Elias that he did not know what to tell them to do. “If I say flee to the sea, you may be killed. If I say stay here, you may be killed.”

An old man suggested that they raise a white flag, but two men of Damour who had fled the town and had seen the white flag from the seashore returned, warning that it would not help to raise a flag: “We raised a flag in front of Our Lady, and they shot at us.” The townspeople decided to run for the sea. Two youths from Damour stood in front of the church and provided cover. A few minutes after they had gone, the PLO came and bombed the church without entering it, kicking open the door and throwing in grenades. The priest and his flock found shelter in the home of an anti-PLO Moslem and ultimately made their way to a boat, which took them to Jounieh.

In all, 582 people were killed in the storming of Damour, with many of the bodies having been mutilated. Damour itself was then transformed into a stronghold of Fatah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and one of the main centers of international terrorism. The Church of St. Elias was turned into a repair garage for PLO vehicles and a shooting range for PLO terrorists.

Although the main “Butcher of Damour,” Saiqa commander Zuhayr Muhsin, was assassinated in Cannes, France in 1979, the PLO leader whose legions were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Christians in Lebanon, Yasser Arafat, is still alive to bemoan the fact that Israel prevented him from attending Christmas services in Bethlehem.

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ARAB
6/5/2002 (10:57)
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zionist propaganda at its stupidest again.

Some facts:

1- George Habache is the historical leader of the popular front for the liberation of palestine (PFLP) responsible for the assasination of that pig raam zeevi.He is of greek-orthodox descent.

2-Nayef Hawatmeh, the secretary general of the DEMOCRATIC FRONT FOR THE LIBRATION OF PALESTINE. A radical secular group ofmarxist tendencies is a greek-catholic.

3-Many leaders and representatives abroad of the palestinian authority are palestinian christians.
To name one. Afif Safieh, representative in London.

4- Yasser Arafat's wife is christian.

5-In lebanon ,1983. The Israelis withdrawing from Beirut and the surrounding Chouf areas inhabited by christians and druze played both parties against each other,providing weapons, contradictory intelligence and treacherous advice to the lebanese forces(christians) and the progressist socialist party(druze).
The result was uprooting of the christian poulations, numerous massacres and mass murders on both sides.


6- The israeli withdrew from south lebanon without warning their proxy-militia. the same people who died to protect northern galilee for 25 years. They didnt even warn them to pack, they had to flee in shame and despair.


How the fuck do u have the decency to claim that Israel is a friend of the christians. Israel is a racist entity based on the belief that the jewish people are a chosen people, superior and privileged.
Where does christianity come in all of that?

Christians in Lebanon make no more than 30% of the population today. It used to be 50% before the war. The policies of israel's allies are primarily to blame.
But some people never learn the lesson.
Here they are supporting the same pigs who let them down.