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Bob
6/15/2002 (17:24) |
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Iam starting to find some of this Holocaust stuff a joke, the more i investigate it.
I do not know much about it,but since looking into it a little deeper there are many things i am learning that i have never been told before or heard before.
I only found out the other day that Hitler had loads of Jews in the SS and Army some of them in very high positions.
Why do they hide information like this from us?
Look into the future, then, and see the place that you may assume in history. You may be credited with the role of accomplishing what no other man was able to accomplish, which is to debunk — unintentionally and unwittingly as it happens — the myth of Treblinka. And you may also be remembered for having been honoured as the first witness in the Jewish attempt to hang a Ukrainian for crimes that he did not commit, for crimes that did not even take place, and at a location that did not even exist.
Everything urges, and nothing prevents, the gathering of the evidence:
I urge you to use your full influence to initiate a search for the evidence outlined above. The present heavy reliance on eyewitness testimony will no longer do — surely we have all learned by now that a handful of people can always be found who can be induced to tell the most preposterous tales. Hard physical and documentary evidence is what is called for today. The time has come to balance an overabundance of oral history with a modicum of forensic science.
Jews have an overpowering motive to gather the evidence. The story of the Jewish Holocaust has been widely disseminated, and yet the argument that the story is in part a fabrication is gaining ground. Thus, Jews have a powerful motive to discover physical evidence of Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, and Babyn Yar — the motive of demonstrating to the world that they are people of integrity, that they have an abiding committment to truth, that they are not corruptors of history, and that the reparations and sympathy that they have won for themselves have been deserved.
Jews have the means to gather the evidence. The Jewish Holocaust has become possibly a multi-billion dollar industry, such that the funding needed to substantiate the story on which the industry depends can easily be gathered.
Organisations exist which facilitate such evidence-gathering. According to your own testimony, organisations motivated toward gathering such evidence have long existed:
Let's get the evidence now! In short, the substantiation by means of hard forensic evidence of your testimony concerning the Treblinka death camp in particular, and of other zero-hard-evidence scenes of mass execution in general, bears an overpowering urgency for Jews, and such substantiation is readily within their reach, both in the matter of financing, and in the matter of having available institutions capable of implementing or of expediting such investigation.
Why hasn't this been done already? And while taking the first steps toward substantiation of the above central Holocaust stories, the question must concurrently be asked, what has kept such a substantiation from being conducted over the course of the past half century? Why have not historians of the Holocaust risen with one voice and demanded that it be done? Why am I — a layman in the field of Holocaust studies — instructing you — one of the world's leading experts on the Holocaust — as to the many fundamental and obvious steps that need to be taken to render your incredible Treblinka testimony credible, that need to be taken to transform the myth of Treblinka into the history of Treblinka?
Outline of Treblinka. In February of 1987, you were the first witness to testify at the Jerusalem trial of John Demjanjuk, accused of being Ivan the Terrible of the Treblinka death camp. Your testimony was that some 870,000 victims, almost all Jews, were executed in the carbon monoxide gas chambers at Treblinka, and that is why Treblinka is called 'The Biggest Cemetery of Polish Jewry.' Most of these victims were buried in vast pits, but later the bodies were disinterred and burned in open-air fires. Toward the final stages of the existence of the camp, the bodies went directly from gas chambers to open-air burning, without the intermediate stage of burial. Here is your own statement outlining the nature of the Treblinka death camp, and illustrating incidentally the leading role played by Judge Dov Levin in the questioning of witnesses:
Summary of the phantom photograph. Allow me to summarise. At the trial of John Demjanjuk for having been Ivan the Terrible of Treblinka, the greatest trial of a Nazi war criminal in Israel after that of Adolph Eichmann, the chief piece of evidence for the existence of the Treblinka death camp was a photograph. This was a photograph not of the Treblinka death camp itself, but only of a model of the camp. No one knew who took the photograph that was presented at the trial. No one knew who built the model which was no longer in existence. A chart appears to have been drawn from the photograph, but the legend was missing, and the correspondence was not close. Either or both chart and model may have been based on the writing of a single individual — Yankel Viernick. But maybe the chart was drawn by Israeli police from the photograph of the model. No evidence was presented that Yankel Viernick had ever been at Treblinka. Whether or not the chart or the model in fact corresponded to Yankel Viernick's writing was never explored in your testimony. Yankel Viernick, of course, did not testify at the Demjanjuk trial, as he was presumed to be dead, though no evidence of his death was submitted to the court.
You testify that not the slightest physical evidence of Treblinka remains
In the absence of photographs, the impartial observer would expect that considerable physical evidence remains of the Treblinka death camp and of the events conducted on such a gargantuan scale as the executions at Treblinka; however, his expectation would not be supported by a reading of the court transcript. According to your testimony, the Treblinka death camp was totally dismantled and every trace eradicated:
Evidence Must be Gathered:
If the Treblinka death camp did exist as described by you in your Demjanjuk testimony, then it must have left not just some hard and direct evidence, but rather it could not have avoided leaving a mountain of hard and direct evidence. Below I outline some of the evidence that must have been left behind and that it is obligatory of all historians of the Jewish Holocaust to seek the discovery of.
Holocaust historians must discover photographs of Treblinka:
You offer the generalisation that photographs of Treblinka do not exist because the SS was forbidden to take photographs:
However, photographs might have been taken by the SS in violation of prohibitions, and photographs could have been taken by individuals who were not members of the SS. All manner of forbidden subjects were photographed during the war in violation of prohibitions, and there is no reason why Treblinka should be an exception.
Where might photographs be found? Thus, not only might there have been photographs taken by the S.S. or by guards, but there might have been photographs taken from outside the camp by civilians, from the surrounding roads and farms and villages, in which one should be able to see the camp buildings and guard towers, the hills of earth from the excavation of the vast pits, the pits themselves, the column of black smoke from the 870,000 burning bodies, the pile of hundreds if not thousands of corpses being prepared for each cremation fire. On top of that, there might have been aerial reconnaissance photographs taken by the Americans, the British, the Soviets, and even the Germans themselves. And the liberating Soviet army might have taken some photographs — the Soviets were well aware of the propaganda value of film footage showing their troops conquering or liberating various positions, and had photographers and cameramen accompanying the troops for this purpose. And of course in addition to professional photographers, some Soviet soldiers and officers must have brought along their own private cameras as well. And then there were the various bodies investigating and documenting Nazi war crimes that were either in existence at the time that Treblinka was liberated, or that were created shortly thereafter — surely one of these would have at least photographed what remained of Treblinka at the time of liberation.
Where to begin the search for photographs? The search for photographs could begin in the countryside surrounding Treblinka, and might consist not only of broadcast appeals, but also actually going from door to door and inviting a search for photographs among family memorabilia. In addition to that, photographs could be sought from members of the German armed forces, and from their families. Soviet military or intelligence units could well have photographs. The importance and the urgency of people coming forward with their photographs could be broadcast in the Polish and German and Ukrainian and Russian media. Generous payment could be offered for photographs. If the Treblinka death camp described by yourself in your courtroom testimony did exist, then it is close to a certainty that somewhere will be discovered photographs documenting this existence.
Holocaust historians must discover evidence of the Treblinka camp infrastructure
Buildings leave traces:
No matter what happened to the buildings of the Treblinka death camp — whether they were blown up, or burned, or bulldozed, or dismantled and shipped off, or more than one of these — they would leave traces. You testify (Morning Session, 19Feb87, p. 522) that the gas chambers were stone buildings, so embedded in the Treblinka soil today there might be bricks or brick chips or mortar or the remains of foundations. There might be bits of tiling or plaster left in the ground where the buildings used to be. There might be the remains of supportive posts that had been driven into the ground. There might be glass from broken windows and broken light bulbs. There might be pieces of piping or tubing. There might be nails and hinges and latches and doorknobs and eavestroughing. There might be electrical insulators and wires and light switches and lightning arrestors. In the construction and dismantling or demolition of the Treblinka buildings, there would have been a shower of such debris, and that debris would still be in the Treblinka soil. This debris would have survived explosions and fires and bulldozings, as well as the passage of half a century. Buildings do not vanish without a trace. Nothing as big as the Treblinka death camp vanishes without leaving behind its imprint. This imprint is still there, embedded in the earth, waiting for experts to dig it up and identify it and draw inferences from it.
Holocaust historians must discover evidence of the vast Treblinka burial pits
Pits enormous enough to have held close to 870,000 bodies would be detectable to this day. The composition and density and layering of the earth where the pits had been would differ from that of the surrounding land which had never been dug up. The fill lying deep inside such pits would contain things that would normally be found only at the surface — grass, sticks, insects, seeds, pollen. Experts can extract core samples from the Treblinka lands, and from these can make definitive statements as to the location and the dimensions of any pits that had been excavated.
Also, for a long time after the pits had been filled, they would settle. To this day, there might exist depressions where the pits had been. These depressions might be visible as shadows when viewed from the air at dawn or at dusk, and these shadows could be photographed.
Thus, it must be possible today to obtain definitive evidence as to the existence and the dimensions of the burial pits, and from these dimensions to evaluate the claim of 870,000 victims at Treblinka.
Holocaust historians must discover evidence of the 870,000 Treblinka bodies:
Some bodies might still remain in Treblinka:
However difficult it must have been to bury 870,000 bodies, to disinter and remove every last one of them must have been close to impossible, and so a number of these bodies might still remain in these pits today, probably at the very bottom of them. There are several reasons why removing every last body would have been difficult. First, the pits would have tended to fill with water. Second, whereas gravity alone could have carried the bodies to the bottom of the pit in the first place, gravity would later fight against their removal, and so the mechanics of raising bodies from the bottom of a deep pit would have militated against a complete pit evacuation. Third, the bodies would have decomposed, making the work of removing them both physically difficult and psychologically revolting. Fourth, the deeper that the diggers progressed, the less convinced would they have been that going still deeper was indispensible — in view of manpower and machine shortages toward the end of the war, in view of the difficulty and the repugnance of digging up the bodies, in view of the pit filling with water — how easy it would have been to decide that bodies lying below whatever extreme depth had been reached so far would never be discovered, and to just begin filling the pit with earth. Actually, as the disinterred bodies were being burned, a mountain of ash and charred bone would have begun to accumulate, and the temptation to begin disposing of this ash and charred bone into the pits — even though every last body had not as yet been removed from them — would have grown. Or perhaps some smaller pit was forgotten and never disinterred at all. Or, perhaps some branch of a pit, or some depression within a pit, was overlooked and still contains bodies to this day.
Body parts, or evidence of bodies, might still remain in Treblinka:
But even if we accept the implausible conclusion that every last one of 870,000 or so bodies was removed from the pits — still, bodies leave traces. There might still be body parts buried deep underneath the soil. There might be hair. There might be bone or tooth fragments, or bullets, or shell casings resulting from the shootings that sometimes took place at the edges of the pits. There might still remain soil changes from the blood or from bodily fluids that soaked the bottom of these pits.
Thus, the Treblinka burial pits must be located and measured and excavated. If 870,000 bodies once lay in them, the bodies will have left their indelible traces.
Holocaust historians must discover evidence of the incompletely-burned remains of 870,000 Treblinka bodies:
Here is some of your testimony outlining the burning of the 870,000 Treblinka bodies:
LEVIN: The crematoria, were they buildings, or what?
ARAD: The crematoria were like open grills, like an enormous bonfire, on which the corpses were built, but this was after February and March 1943. Until then they were buried in the enormous ditches that I mentioned. (Morning Session 17Feb87, p. 247)
ARAD: [...] it was in August, it was in summer, the Jewish prisoners at the time were busy burning the corpses and the work started at four in the morning and came to a close at midday, first and foremost so that the Germans who were supervising them would not have to be exposed to burning midday sun. (Afternoon Session, 17Feb87, pp. 287-288)
ARAD: Now, Himmler had a different idea about the blurring and obliterating of traces and messages. Already in the spring of 1942 when the first withdrawals of the German troops on the eastern fron took place, and certain regions of the Soviet Union were liberated, and the atrocities performed by the Germans became evident, the atrocities performed on Jews mainly, but also on the local population — when this became known and public knowledge, Himmler instituted a special unit under Sturmbandfuehrer S.S. Globl whose job it was to open up all thepits, all these hundreds of thousands of corpses of Jews who, whether it was at Babi Yar, whether it was in Kiev, whether it was in Riga or whether it was in Vilna, open upall these mass graves and burn the corpses.
He further instructed that also in the extermination camps all corpses henceforth were to be incinerated.
And when he found out that Treblinka and Belzec and Sobibor this practice was already instituted earlier. In Treblinka, when in February he found out this had not yet been instituted, he instructed the commander — it was Floss — a German — Fluss put in charge of the incinerating of the corpses. I would say that at the time of the liquidation of the camp was dependent on the incineration of the corpses there. For at the time of Himmler's visits, in February 1943, already knew that Operation Reinhardt had in fact come to an end, and Auschwitz-Birkenau was taking over with its four huge crematoria and there was in fact no longer any need for these three camps.
And in spring of 1943 instructed the commanders to start closing down these camps, but this was contingent upon the all corpses being incinerated and burned. (Morning Session, 17Feb87, pp. 266-267)
The residue of burning must be found:
Burning 870,000 bodies creates a mountain of ash from the wood and a mountain of unburned bone from the bodies. In a real crematorium where high temperatures can be produced for the necessary duration, each cadaver leaves behind some three to nine pounds of bone. An open-air fire will not achieve the same high temperatures as a crematorium, and so in the same interval of time, and even in a longer interval of time, will leave behind a great deal more residue. If we assume a very conservative, and mathematically convenient, ten pounds of unburned residue per Treblinka victim, then that yields a total of 8.7 million pounds of residue, which equals 3.9 million kilograms. That is a lot of residue. Where could the Nazis have put it all? Saying that they 'scattered' it, as you do say, is not adequate — how does one 'scatter' 8.7 million pounds of unburned bone? Is it conceivable that 8.7 million pounds of charred bone could remain hidden today from investigators who tried to find it? As the most convenient location to dispose of the residue would have been the bottoms of the freshly-emptied burial pits, the 8.7 million pounds of charred bone might still exist in Treblinka, and thus could testify to the 870,000 Jews killed there.
An outdoor fire must not be called a crematorium:
To call open-air burning cremation invites the conclusion that there is no appreciable difference between high-temperature cremation in a furnace and lower-temperature burning in the open air, and invites the conclusion also that the residue will be comparable in each case. But because the temperature is lower in open-air burning, and because the residue is greater, I tend to avoid calling open-air burning 'cremation' and I protest vigorously against calling an open-air fire a 'crematorium.'
Evidence must be found of the fuel used in burning:
To burn 870,000 bodies in the open air would require a vast amount of fuel. If it takes a boxcar full of wood to reduce 100 bodies to ash in open-air fires, then 8,700 boxcars of wood would have been required. Or if 100 bodies require not just one boxcar of wood, but two or three, then the total number of boxcars of wood required would rise from 8,700 to 17,400 or 25,100, and the possibility that so much wood had been cut and shipped without it leaving a trace within documents or within human memory approaches the incredible. Wood freshly cut, furthermore, contains much water, and burns inefficiently while producing much smoke. Thus, as Himmler's decision to burn the bodies was implemented rapidly, we must conclude either that the Nazis had been maintaining a stockpile of seasoned wood equivalent in volume to thousands or tens of thousands of boxcars, or else that they suddenly conscripted armies of woodcutters to denude entire forests, and quickly burned the wood while it was still green.
The burning of bodies accomplishes nothing:
What is gained by the burning of 870,000 bodies? Such a burning amounts to replacing an enormous volume of bodies with a somewhat less enormous volume of ash and charred bone from the incomplete combustion of the bodies, but where the ash and bone are as fully inculpatory as were the bodies themselves. Your story of the burning of Treblinka bodies is based on the premise that Himmler labored under the delusion that the discovery of a body could lead to a murder charge, whereas the discovery of ten pounds of human bone could not.
Also, even though the bodies themselves might no longer exist, the number of people who can testify to their having existed is expanded as a result of the disinterment and burning — the number of people who had to labor deep in the pits must have been large, the smell of the opened pits must have blanketed the entire region, the number of people who built the pyres must have been large, the pyres themselves must have been visible from a distance, the black column of smoke from the burning bodies must have been visible for miles, the transport of fuel into Treblinka must have become known to hundreds of workers. In anticipation of all this, it must have been plain to all Nazi officials who contemplated the burning of bodies that it would be ineffective, that even while expending scarce resources to cover up some of the inculpatory evidence, the result would be to produce inculpatory evidence of another kind. It must have been evident to the entire Nazi hierarchy that their only hope lay in winning the war, or at least in achieving some sort of draw or stalemate, rather than planning to lose while praying that when the Allies marched into Treblinka, they wouldn't notice the embarrassing mountain of 8.7 million pounds of unburned bone, or wouldn't talk to any of the hundreds — if not thousands — of people who had watched either from near or from afar the 870,000 Jews being murdered.
Another reason to dig up the burial pits:
Thus, it is imperative that the Treblinka burial pits be investigated and dug up today not only to verify that the pits themselves existed, and not only to measure their dimensions, and not only to search for bodies and body parts, but also to search for ashes and unburned bone and teeth.
A layer of ash:
In addition to the ash left at the base of the fire, there will be ash that flies up into the air from the heat of the fire, and then settles back to earth, thus blanketing the entire region. Perhaps there are areas near the site of the burning that have not been ploughed since the time of the burning, and where this ash will be detectable as a layer in the soil to this day.
Holocaust historians must discover evidence of Treblinka garbage and sewage:
Your testimony paints the picture of Jews travelling loaded down with their valuables and their household goods, and these being confiscated at Treblinka and sorted there:
The Treblinka garbage dump must be discovered:
However, not everything that the prisoners brought with them to Treblinka could have been of such value as to justify shipping to Germany. Among these 'household goods' and 'personal effects and possessions' there must have been items of small value to others, and even of no value to others. Thus, if half of the belongings that Treblinka prisoners brought with them was valuable enough to ship to Germany, then the other half might be viewed by the Treblinka personnel as largely garbage, and would have to be disposed of. Thus, if 1,500 carloads were shipped back to Germany, that would leave 1,500 carloads to be largely junked. Or, if only a quarter or a tenth of all belongings were valuable enough to ship to Germany, then 4,500 carloads or 13,500 carloads of belongings would be left behind to be disposed of at Treblinka. Where to put this mountain of garbage, and where to put all the other garbage generated during the life of the camp? Obviously, Treblinka being out in the country, it could readily treat its garbage the way garbage is treated the world over — pile it up and set it on fire. There is no practical alternative. What else to do with a volume equalling thousands of boxcars of dilapidated suitcases, worn-through shoes, threadbare clothing, mangled eyeglasses, shattered phonograph records, tin cans and broken bottles and kitchen bones? Obviously, Treblinka must have had a garbage dump, and that garbage dump is likely to still be there. Or did the Nazis, losing the war, retreating before the Soviet offensive, muster their dwindling resources to tidy up after themselves, and take with them even their own garbage?
The Treblinka sewage facilities must be discovered:
If soldiers are not provided with sanitation, the army will be decimated by disease. Every successful army is aware of this, and any army unaware of this cannot be successful. Thus, either Treblinka had sewers to carry sewage away, or else it held the sewage locally in pits. If sewers, then their remains must still be lying underground, and these remains can be dug up, and from these remains experts will be able to estimate the number of people such sewers might have serviced. And if pits, then we might expect that upon the closing of the camp, the pits would have been merely abandoned as they stood, or at best covered over with earth. To imagine Himmler ordering sewage pits to be emptied so that not even this trace would remain that a large number of people had been at Treblinka is not plausible. Again, experts will be able to examine the remains of any such pits, will be able to infer what they once contained, and will be able to estimate the number of individuals that they serviced. And even if any sewage held in pits had been dug up and transported elsewhere, evidence that a pit had existed there and later filled in would still remain.
Holocaust historians must discover Treblinka documents
Paper evidence of Treblinka:
Somewhere there might exist plans or blueprints of the buildings of the Treblinka death camp, or maps showing the layout of these buildings. Perhaps someone with an artistic bent sketched the Treblinka death camp, either from inside the camp, or from the outside. Treblinka personnel may have written letters alluding to their duties or outlining their observations. Polish villagers living around Treblinka may have written such letters as well. Either buried in German or Soviet archives, or in the family papers of German or Soviet soldiers or Polish civilians, such paper evidence of the existence of the Treblinka death camp may have survived. Or, shipping thousands of boxcars of wood to Treblinka could not have happened without letters being written and documents trading hands.
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