Isn't Islamic Extremism Grand
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Mediocrates
6/16/2002 (18:29)
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A television station backed by a Saudi prince has sparked outrage by broadcasting clips that show young children being taught to hate Jews — referring to them as 'apes and pigs' — and embrace martyrdom.

Recent broadcasts on Iqraa Television, one of the global satellite channels packaged by the Arab Radio and Television Network (ART), a Saudi-based company, features anti-Semitic interviews with a father, a psychiatrist and even a 3-year-old girl.

During a May 7 episode of Muslim Woman Magazine, anchorwoman Doaa 'Amer asks her special guest, a 3-year-old girl named Basmallah, a series of questions the youngster quickly and calmly answers.

'Are you familiar with the Jews?' Amer asks.

The girl says yes, and says she does not like them 'because…they’re apes and pigs.'

'Who said so?' the anchor asks. 'Our God,' the girl replies, adding that Allah says this 'in the Quran.'

In another interview broadcast in April, Prof. 'Adel Sadeq, which the station identifies as head of a psychiatry faculty at a university in Cairo, talks of Islamic martyrs reaching 'the apex of happiness.'

'The height of ecstasy and happiness — and I am talking to you as a professional, a psychiatrist — comes the moment ... just like the producer told you: ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, and then he presses the button to blow himself up.

'The most beautiful moment, for which he would have time speed up, is the moment he says 'one ... this man explodes, and he feels that he is flying.'

On another program, a father discusses what lessons he’s sharing with his son.

'I am already preparing him for martyrdom, either mine or his. He asks me: If I carry out an operation and blow myself up, will Allah give me a car, a rifle to shoot with, toys? I answer him, ‘You will get everything you ask for.’'

The Middle East Media Research Institute translated and released the videotape compilation, with English subtitles, from the ART, which has transmission facilities in Italy and describes itself as 'the leading producer of premium Arabic family programming and entertainment worldwide.'

Widely watched Iqraa television is ART's effort to provide 'a focused insight into the teachings of the Quran' to 'intellectual, elite, and conservative Islamic markets.'

Prince Alaweed, a member of the Saudi royal family, is reportedly a major backer of ART. He made headlines in the United States last year when he tried to donate $10 million to the World Trade Center relief effort, but was rebuffed by then New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani after saying U.S. support for Israel in part prompted the Sept. 11 attacks.







reply by
TheAZCowBoy
6/16/2002 (20:08)
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TAC responds to 'Mediocrates,' another one of those frequent Jewish zealots and/or Israel apologists that frequent this site looking to have some anti-Zionist caca smeared in their shameless faces.

TAC continues..... I believe calling the Zionist thugs and murderers 'pigs & Apes' insults two species that have never done anything to hurt mankind unlike the murderous Zionist Jews of the Middle East.

Recently there was an acadamy award winning film named 'Promises,' excerpts which were shown on 60 minutes ( 03-2002 ), in this film both Palestinian and Jewish children living adjacent to each other in the Jewish occupied West Bank are interviewed by the film makers and asked questions about the feelings that exist between each side.

One little Zionist parasite ( Moshe, age 14 ) living in an 'illegal' Jewish settlement ( built adjacent to a Palestinian village who survives only because of the mass of IDF thugs and murderers based there to forcibly keep the Jewish settlers there from being evicted by the Palestinian's, allowing them to steal water from the Palestinian village for their survival ), is asked what he thinks of the Palestinian neighbors he has and he promptly responds: 'These Palestinian's are animal's that need to be killed!'

A young Palestinian girl interviewed then expresses her desire to become a suicide bomber to get rid of the Jewish trespassers. She laments all the misery the Zionist trespassers have wrought to her village since their arrival.

Yes, the Zionist pasrasites--and the Israel apologists continiously mention how Arafat and others ( Saudi's ) teach the Palestinian children
to hate the Jews.

But one only has to see the mass murder's committed in Lebanon ( summer of 1982 ) 28,000 massacred civilian's--500,000 left wounded, maimed and homeless ), Sabra & Shatila ( 1,900 Palestinian refugees massacred as Jewish amour blocks all the exits and entrances to the camps--then light up the skies with paraflares--and over three days allow their Phalangist allies to massacre, old men, women, children, even the dogs, cats and chickens on that summer of 1982 ) and then the horrendous massacre of 102 Palestinian women & children at a UN army base at Qana, Lebanon, April 18, 1996, to realize that the Arab's have the best class room ( ringside tickets! ) where they can not only see---but actually experience Israeli STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM, APARTHEID, EXTRA-JUDICIAL ASSASSINATIONS ( i.e. murder ), BIGOTRY, RACISM and even HUMAN BONDAGE against the downtrodden Palestinian people, and why they deserve all the seething hate and the tsunami of anti-Semitism currently circling the globe every 90 minutes with every ounce of hatred for the Jewish parasites they can muster.

God bless the Saudi's, the Kuwaiti's and the UAE who send money to feed and shelter Palestinian widows and orphans from the murder and massacres committed by the Jewish scum and the US weaponry their co-conspirators send to these Jewish animals to commit their CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY on people who's only crime is to posses the land, the water and the environment the Jews want to confiscate, steal and do so with the subtle permission and the 'tacit' approval of the right wing fascists of the DIM BULB administration who currently resides in the oval office.

But DON'T WORRRY--BE HAPPY, the solution is explained in the bible...

Psalm 145:20

'Jehovah is guarding them that love him and the evil ones he will annihilate!'

Perhaps WTC was but the 1st step, huh Mediocrates?

TheAZCowBoy,
reply by
ANALYZE
6/16/2002 (22:55)
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I AM NOT MUSLIM AND THINK JEWS DO ACT LIKE PIGS AND APES!

LIKE PIGS THEY CRAP ON EVERYTHING & EVERYONE ELSE, AND LIKE APES THEY TRY TO ACT LIKE CIVILIZED HUMAN BEINGS!

WAS THAT REALLY MENTIONED IN THE QURAN??
reply by
...
6/16/2002 (23:49)
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what is your personal experience with jews? Lets hear that instead of all this generalized garbage. If you have a personal story...lets hear it. And I'll bet you'll find 100 stories of personal experience with christians, buddhists, hindus, muslims to match it. The jews don't have any special connection to evil that the rest of are free of. But I have to wonder about the evil of teaching children to die so they can get toys...I consider that just about as bad as priests molesting children...maybe worse.
reply by
Visitor
6/16/2002 (23:56)
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Dear ...
Thank you for one of the more intelligent posts in this forum.
reply by
Lynette
6/17/2002 (9:40)
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Arabs engage in hate lessons and you Israeli's dont,huh?


ISRAELI SCHOOL TEXTBOOKS PROMOTE HATRED TOWARD PALESTINIANS

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, May 2001


Israeli school textbooks as well as children's storybooks, according to recent academic studies and surveys, portray Palestinians and Arabs as 'murderers,' 'rioters,' 'suspicious,' and generally backward and
unproductive. Direct delegitimization and negative stereotyping of Palestinians and Arabs are the rule, rather than the exception, in Israeli schoolbooks.

Professor Daniel Bar-Tal of Tel Aviv University studied 124 elementary, middle, and high school textbooks on grammar and Hebrew literature, history, geography and citizenship. Bar-Tal concluded that Israeli textbooks present the view that Jews are involved in a justified, even humanitarian, war against an Arab enemy that refuses to accept and acknowledge the existence and rights of Jews in Israel.

'The early textbooks tended to describe acts of Arabs as hostile, deviant, cruel, immoral, unfair, with the intention to hurt Jews and to annihilate the State of Israel. Within this frame of reference, Arabs
were delegitimized by the use of such labels as 'robbers,' 'bloodthirsty,' and 'killers',' said Professor Bar-Tal, adding that there has been little positive revision in the curriculum over the years.

He also pointed out that Israeli textbooks continue to present Jews as industrious, brave, and determined to cope with the difficulties of 'improving the country in ways they believe the Arabs are incapable of.' Hebrew-language geography books from the 1950s through 1970s focused on the glory of Israel's ancient past and how the land was 'neglected and destroyed' by the Arabs until the Jews returned from their forced exile and revived it, 'with the help of the Zionist movement.'

'This attitude served to justify the return of the Jews, implying that they care enough about the country to turn the swamps and deserts into blossoming farmland; this effectively delegitimizes the Arab claim to the same land,' Bar-Tal told the Washington Report. 'The message was that the Palestinians were primitive and neglected the country and did not cultivate the land.'

This message, continued Bar-Tal, was further emphasized in textbooks by the use of blatant negative stereotyping which featured Arabs as: 'unenlightened, inferior, fatalistic, unproductive and apathetic.' Further, according to the textbooks, the Arabs were 'tribal, vengeful, exotic, poor, sick, dirty, noisy, colored' and 'they burn, murder, destroy, and are easily inflamed.'

Textbooks currently being used in the Israeli school system contain less direct denigration of Arabs, but continue to stereotype them negatively. He pointed out that Hebrew- as well as Arabic-language texts used in elementary and junior high schools contain very few references either to Arabs or to Arab-Jewish relations. The coordinator of a Palestinian NGO in Israel said that major historical events hardly get a mention either.

'When I was in high school 12 years ago, the date '1948' barely appeared in any textbooks, except for a mention that there was a conflict, Palestinians refused to accept a U.N. solution and ran away instead,' said Jamal Atamneh, coordinator of the Arab Education Committee in Support of Local Councils, a Haifa-based NGO. 'Today the idea communicated to schoolchildren is basically the same: there are winners and losers in every conflict. When they teach about 'peace and co-existence,' it is to teach us how to get along with Jews.'

Atamneh explained that textbooks used by the nearly one million Arab Israelis (one-fifth of Israel's population) are in Arabic, but are written by and issued from the Israeli Ministry of Education, where Palestinians have no influence or input.

'Fewer than 1 percent of the jobs in the Education Ministry, not counting teachers, are held by Palestinians,' Atamneh said. 'For the past 15 years, not one new Palestinian academic has been placed in a high position in the ministry. There are no Palestinians involved in preparing the Arabic-language curriculum [and] obviously, there is no such thing as affirmative action in Israel.'

In addition, there are no Arabic-language universities in Israel. Haifa University, Atamneh points out, has had a steady 20 percent Arab student population for the past 20 years. 'How can that figure have remained the same after all these years when the population in the north [of Israel] has grown to over 50 percent Arab?'

Answering his own question, Atamneh rattles off statistics that reflect excellent high school scores among Arab students which he contrasts to their subsequent lower-than-average performance in Hebrew-language college entrance exams given by the state.

'No major scholarships have ever been awarded to an Arab; there are no dorms for Arabs and no college-related jobs or financial aid programs. They justify this legal discrimination by the fact that we do not serve in the army. There are numerous blatant and official methods used to keep Palestinian Arabs out of the universities.'

Dr. Eli Podeh, lecturer in the Department of Islamic Studies and Middle East History at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, says that while certain changes in Israeli textbooks are slowly being implemented, the discussion of Palestinian national and civil identity is never touched
upon.

'Passages from 'experts' about the existence of a Palestinian identity were introduced, but in general it appeared that the textbook authors were not eager to adopt it,' said Dr. Podeh, adding that 'the
connection between Palestinians in Israel and Arabs in Arab countries is not discussed. Especially evident is the lack of a discussion on the orientation of Palestinians to the [occupied] territories.

'While new textbooks attempt to correct some of the earlier distortions, these books as well contain overt and covert fabrications,' said Dr. Podeh. 'The establishment has preferred -- or felt itself forced -- to encourage the cover-up and condemn the perplexity.'

One Israeli public high school student told the Washington Report that the contents of the schoolbooks and the viewpoints expressed by some teachers indeed have a lasting negative effect on youngsters' attitudes toward Palestinians.

'Our books basically tell us that everything the Jews do is fine and legitimate and Arabs are wrong and violent and are trying to exterminate us,' the unidentified student said.

http://www.mecaforpeace.org/TEMPPOST/textbook.html
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Fanatical Jews in Hebron dress up their kids like Dr.Goldstein and sing his praises for slaughtering 29 Muslim worshippers as they were praying. He even killed the small boys with their fathers.




The mirror does not lie

By Amira Hass


How perfectly natural that 40,000 persons should be subject to a total curfew for more than a month in the Old City of Hebron in order to protect the lives and well-being of 500 Jews. How perfectly natural that almost no Israeli mentions this fact or, for that matter, even knows about it. How perfectly natural that 34 schools attended by thousands of Palestinian children should be closed down for more than a month and their pupils imprisoned and suffocating day and night in their crowded homes, while the children of their neighbors - their Jewish neighbors, that is - are free to frolic as usual in the street among and with the Israeli soldiers stationed there.How perfectly natural that a Palestinian mother must beg and plead so that an Israeli soldier will allow her to sneak through the alleyways of the open-stall marketplace and obtain medication for her asthmatic children, or bread for her family. (Sometimes Israeli soldiers do have the guts to disobey orders, although, generally speaking, when encountering such situations, they order the woman to return to her home.)

How perfectly understandable that the Israel Defense Forces is seizing control of an ever-increasing number of rooftops atop the homes of Palestinians in the Old City of Hebron and that Israeli soldiers positioned on those rooftops from time to time open fire on other Palestinians, while, down below, at street level, the Jewish settlers are free to show over and over again - at the expense of the windshields, windows and tires of the parked cars of Palestinians - who's really the boss. How perfectly natural that a Muslim house of prayer like the Ibrahim mosque should be shut down and declared 'off limits' to thousands of Muslim worshipers.

The ease with which a curfew has now been imposed on Hebron and the perception of that curfew as a completely natural occurrence are not the products of the past few weeks. (Incidentally, the residents of the village of Hawara, in whose vicinity and on whose lands the Jewish settlement of Yitzhar was built, have also been placed under curfew; their curfew was imposed more than three weeks ago.)

After the massacre carried out by Baruch Goldstein in the Ibrahim mosque, also known as the Tomb of the Patriarchs, the ones who were punished were the Palestinians, with the punishment taking the form of curfews, closures, 'disengagement,' the shutting-down of entire streets and the continual, hostile supervision by Israeli soldiers and police officers. And there was an additional punishment that was meted out to the Palestinians: economic disaster.

However, Hebron is only a microcosm, an illustration of the general picture. The protracted curfew imposed on Hebron and the way that this curfew has been accepted in Israeli eyes as such a natural event convey, in a nutshell, both the entire story of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land in general and the essence of the kind of Israeli thinking that has developed in the shadow of obvious military superiority. The curfew in Hebron and the ease with which it has been imposed only illustrate the entire story of discrimination and uprooting that the Palestinians have suffered at the hands of the Israelis - a never-ending story that unfolded as far back as the Oslo era and the period of the so-called 'peace process.'

Jews live in Hebron today either because of 'ancestral rights' or because they can show proof of Jewish ownership of a given property in the not-too-distant past. It is so perfectly natural that Jews should be able to live wherever they want in the Land of Israel - on both sides of the Green Line. It is so perfectly natural that a Jew who was born in Tel Aviv should be able to move to Hebron or to Yitzhar. And it is so perfectly natural that Palestinians cannot enjoy that right and cannot move to Tel Aviv or to Haifa - even if their families own lands and houses there.

It is so perfectly natural that, to this very day, Israel is developing and expanding the Jewish community in Hebron, just as Israel is developing all the Jewish settlements in the territories. And it is so perfectly natural that, to this very day, the Palestinians must deal with various limitations imposed on any planned development for their own communities, because most of the lands on the West Bank - which is their primary land reserve - are under Israeli administrative control. No, the Palestinians do not need the kind of legroom that Israelis do.

It is so perfectly natural that Palestinians have to obtain a travel permit from the Israeli authorities (only a minority of the applicants are granted the permit) in order to enter East Jerusalem or the Gaza Strip, within the context of Israel's closure policy, which was launched in 1991 and which continues until this very day. On the other hand, Jews are free to travel from the West Bank to Israel and back, using well-built highways that have been constructed on lands that have been expropriated from Palestinian villages.

During the summers in Hebron, sometimes days, even weeks go by without running water in the faucets of Palestinian homes. On the other hand, the Jewish neighbors of Palestinian Hebronites - in the Old City of Hebron or in the nearby Jewish quarter of Kiryat Arba - experience no problems or shortages as far as their water supply is concerned.

The same situation prevails in many Palestinian communities throughout the West Bank: Whereas the Palestinians have no water, the residents of the Jewish settlements enjoy green lawns. The reason is that Israel has, in effect, imposed a quota on the water that the Palestinians are allowed to consume - that is, on the right to use water resources that are supposed to be jointly accessible for both Israelis and Palestinians in the single land they share.

This is a tale that must be recounted over and over again - almost to the point of exhaustion - because it depicts a situation that is so self-understood in the eyes of Israelis that they cannot even see that there is any problem whatsoever. How perfectly easy to regard the Palestinians as a violent and cruel people and to ignore the cruelty that has accumulated day after day for 33 long years and which has been directed during that long period toward an entire community. This is the kind of cruelty that is characteristic of every occupation regime. This is a cruelty that intensified during the Oslo years because of the gap between the fine talk about a 'peace process' and the reality.

The curfew in Hebron and the fact that this curfew is regarded as a completely natural phenomenon in the eyes of Israeli society reflects the twisted sort of thinking that developed in the minds of Israelis during the Oslo years. According to this warped thinking, the Palestinians would accept a situation of coexistence in which they were on an unequal footing vis-a-vis the Israelis and in which they were ranked as persons who were entitled to less, much less, than the Jews. However, in the end, the Palestinians were not willing to live with this arrangement.

The new Intifada, which displays the characteristics of both a popular uprising and a quasi-military one, is a final attempt to thrust a mirror in the face of Israelis and to tell them: 'Take a good look at yourselves and see how racist you have become.


I PARTICULARY LIKE THE LAST PARAGRAPH...):-]

MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL
WE SEE RACIST NAZIS AFTER ALL.
reply by
NZ
6/17/2002 (9:56)
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The Unbearable Burden of Life
How did you get into such a mess? As you yourselves would say and have
indeed said on many occasions, it isn't your fault. It's always the 'Great
Satan' America, and it's 'Lesser Satan', Israel, that you
blame for all your woes. Everything that you do, such as your 'martyrdom
operations', are described as the products of your 'rage' at being
'dispossessed of your land', and of your 'helplessness' in the face of
'Zionist' might.

There are only 300 million Arabs against over 5 million Jews! How unfair!
How unjust, that so many can do so little against so few!

A number of Western commentators have put Arab failures down to numerous
cultural factors, not the least being Islam. Your religious beliefs in
martyrdom and jihad, coupled with a total inability to accept any blame for
your own predicament, have combined to do you great and lasting damage.

Look closely at why Western countries such as Israel have succeeded, and
Muslim countries have not. Western countries are free-market democracies.
Muslim countries (other than Turkey) aren't. Surely that should tell you
something.

Why I Stand.
As I said, I do not, and I will not, support the Palestinian cause. Why not?
I have a number of reasons, and here they are:

1. You have made it clear beyond any shadow of doubt that you intend to
destroy Israel and kill or drive out its Jewish population. This is
genocide, pure and simple. You justify this by saying that Israel has
committed many crimes against your people, and that you seek 'justice'. I
say this in response- NOTHING WHATSOEVER is an acceptable justification for
genocide. Loss of land, humiliation at being militarily defeated -others
have suffered these and moved on to create new nations and opportunities for
themselves.

Examples abound- the Germans thrown out of East Prussia in Europe, 1945, the
Nationalist Chinese who fled to Taiwan in 1949, to name but two. Germans and
Taiwanese have coped with military defeat and the
loss of land. They haven't warred with their neighbours, nor have they
launched terrorist attacks upon them. Both countries have more wealth than
any Arab nation. Why can't Palestinians cope? Are Germans and Chinese better
able to deal with adversity than Arabs?

2. You have accused the Israelis of 'genocide' against you. Here's a
question for you: Israel has atomic bombs and powerful military forces. If
they really, truly wanted you all dead, they could easily do it.
Why haven't they? If the Israelis went all-out, you would be, as we say in
New Zealand, 'dog tucker'. Why did they spend so much time negotiating with
your leaders? Because Israel wants peace and secure borders. You refuse to
give them even those. You plan genocide and accuse Israel of the same crime.
Prove it!

3. The use of terrorism. Killing people for being Jewish is despicable.
Terrorist attacks on innocent civilians are also despicable. (At this point,
I'd like to pause and get a question of nomenclature cleared up, regarding
those Palestinians who kill themselves and others with explosives strapped
to their bodies. You call them 'martyrs'. Western media sources and
academics debate the precise term to use in describing them. Others,
including the Israelis, call them terrorists.
I have a better, more appropriate term. I prefer to use the word
'kamikazes'.
The original kamikazes appeared in 1944, in the war in the Pacific. They
were Japanese Navy and Army pilots,organised into 'Special Attack Units'
with orders to crash their planes into American warships, in the hope of
destroying them - 'one plane, one ship'. Their initial impact
was similar to that of the Al-Quaeda attacks on New York and the
Pentagon-shock and horror. (I noted that many Palestinians appeared on
Western TV celebrating the September attacks). Note: The American response,
in both cases was not the one hoped for.

Once the shock had worn off, the US set out to destroy the kamikazes, and
terrible destruction was rained down on Japan,ending only with 2 atomic
bombs. You know what is happening right now in Afghanistan to the Al-Quaeda
group).
>
>4. Using children as suicide bombers. Anyone who
teaches children to kill themselves in suicide attacks is not worth
supporting under any circumstances. For you to do this to your children is
an abomination. A commentator on a Web magazine said that if the
Palestinians laid down their arms, they would get peace and land. If the
Israelis laid down their arms, they would be killed. You know that is true,
even if most of Europe doesn't. Your cause is evil, because it seeks
destruction at any price. Genocide is not justice. Sacrificing your own
children for the sake of your leader's personal ambitions is wicked.

That's why I cannot support you. That's why I stand with Israel.

Palestinian Past or Future?

The Second World War in Europe ended with Hitler's suicide. He was replaced
by Admiral Doenitz who quickly made peace with the Allies. Japan's
leader,Emperor Hirohito, decided on surrender rather than
see his nation destroyed.

If Arafat chooses surrender, though, will the rest of the Palestinians go
along with it? If he dies, will the war end? If the answer to both of these
questions is No, then the Palestinian people are doomed. Do you really
prefer death as a people? Do you fully comprehend what you
are doing? If you are indeed aware that the path you have embarked on
leads to destruction, and if you have freely chosen to walk in that
direction,then as a people you are truly beyond hope.

Are Palestinians really going to be a 'Kamikaze Nation'? Are you really
going to give Israel no other option except your destruction? If they must
choose,then as Israeli historian Martin Van Creveld said,
'better a terrible end than terror without end'.

Do not think that kamikaze tactics can get you what you want. The Israelis
can tell you all about Masada, if you ask them. Remember
what happened to the Japanese at places like Okinawa and Iwo Jima.
Palestinians deserve better than the current mess you are in now - but
before you can be given anything, you must offer a sincere peace, you must
stop teaching your children to hate, you must stop believing that
'victimhood' justifies everything and - above all other things - GIVE UP
ISRAEL! Accept that you will never go there again except perhaps as workers
or tourists. Accept that Jews are human beings.
Accept the verdict of 1948 and learn to live with it.

Invest in banks, not bombs. Build computer chips,not Kalashnikovs. Teach
>science and mathematics, not hate. Look to the future, not the past. Stop
>blaming Americans and Jews for all your problems, and take responsibility
>for your own actions. Read those parts in the Quran
about living with the 'peoples of the Book'.

Golda Meir, the former Israeli Prime minister, is quoted as saying, 'there
will be peace in the Middle East only when the Arabs
love their children more than they hate Israel '. Every time I see pictures
of Palestinian children waving guns and wearing dummy explosives, then I can
only say she is right. The alternative to peace is not victory but death.

Think about it- before it's too late.

From an Infidel to Those Who Submit, and are living in the Holy Land - May
God grant you steadfastness in the face of things that cannot be changed,
the capacity to cope with those that can be changed, and
the wisdom and the ability to tell the difference.
reply by
To NZ
6/17/2002 (11:06)
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Thats a good speech. Lets put it on top. And as sure as the sun rises in the east...some nut will add garbage as if you've said nothing at all.