Do the Palestinians want peace?
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American Woman
6/18/2002 (11:13)
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I don't get it. Our President was prepared to give support to Palestinians hopes for a state tonight on TV ina speech, but now the Palestinians have done thie heinous, evil act.
How are people supposed to support a people who want war and deaths? It's the same thing over and over again. I'm hoping that the Israelis either just move themselves or move the Palestinians out so we can get on with our lives. I doubt they will do the former so if I were the Palestinians I'd be real careful not to ignite the latter.

Sandy Redmond
Phoenix, AZ
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The Angry Clam
6/18/2002 (11:24)
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The suicide bombings will stop when the USA stops bankrolling Israel's capacity to wage war apon the Palestinian people. After all, Ariel Sharon has publicly stated that this is 'The Battle of the Settlements', with plans to bring in 1 million more Jews by the year 2010. President Bush reinterated that Sharon was a man of peace. How can that be when he has plans to push the Palestinian people off their lands in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and plant 1 million Argentinian Jews in their place?
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..IT'S THE OCCUPATION, STUPID ! !!!
6/18/2002 (11:30)
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Bush II says a lot of words... His actions & inactions speak louder than his words... He has met 6 times with the War Criminal A.A.S haron but NOT once with Arafat... Read h piece on zIONISM in ... reportersnotebook.com ... Message Board...
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The Angry Clam
6/18/2002 (11:35)
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Don't ever say: I didn't know!
by Dr. Edward Badeen • Friday March 29, 2002



These coming words of Sharon are addressed to the whole comunity of politicians of the 21st century, because they have accepted him as a member of their society. They are all cited from his intervew by Amos Oz, which was published in the Israeli newspaper Davar on December 17, 1982.

---- 'We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough. And do you know why it is all worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more unpopular among the so-called civilised world...'

---- 'The destruction of Eyn Hilwe (and it's a pity we did not wipe out that hornet's nest completely!), the healthy bombardment of Beirut and that tiny massacre (can you call 500 Arabs a massacre?) in their camps which we should have committed with our own delicate hands rather than let the Phalangists do it, all these good deeds finally killed the bullshit talk about a unique people and of being a light upon the nations...'

---- 'I personally don't want to be any better than Khomeini or Brezhnev or Ghadafi or Assad or Mrs. Thatcher, or even Harry Truman who killed half a million Japanese with two fine bombs. I only want to be smarter than they are, quicker and more efficient, not better or more beautiful than they are. Tell me, do the baddies of this world have a bad time? If anyone tries to touch them, the evil men cut his hands and legs off. They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don't suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear me instead of feeling sorry for me. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear my madness instead of admiring my nobility. Thank God for that. Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered - just one! That we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East! If anything would happen to your child, God forbid, you would talk like I do. Let them be aware in Washington, Moscow, Damascus and China that if one of our ambassadors is shot, or even a consul or the most junior embassy official, we might start World War Three just like that!'

---- 'Let me tell me [sic] what is the most important thing, the sweetest fruit of the war in Lebanon: It is that now they don't just hate Israel. Thanks to us, they now also hate all those Feinschmecker Jews in Paris, London, New York, Frankfurt and Montreal, in all their holes. At last they hate all these nice Yids, who say they are different from us, that they are not Israeli thugs, that they are different Jews, clean and decent.'

---- 'The gentiles have always felt sick of the Yids and their conscience, and now the Yids will have only one option: to come home, all of them, fast, to install thick steel doors, to build a strong fence, to have submachine guns positioned at every corner of their fence here and to fight like devils against anyone who dares to make a sound in this region. And if anyone even raises his hand against us we'll take away half his land and burn the other half, including the oil. We might use nuclear arms. We'll go on until he no longer feels like it...'

If you don't do anything to stop the madness of this man, your silence will make you his partner! Then, don't ever dare to say 'But I didn't know!'


Those jews that follow this man's philosophy will bring disaster and catastrophe to the entire region. His madness is only surpassed by the likes of Adolph Hitler and Stalin. We have noted that Sharon gave the Jewish people an election promise that he would calm to the region within his first 100 of political office. It is clear to ant intelligent person that this man is a serial liar.
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palistine
6/18/2002 (11:49)
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Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT'L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva



IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a 'Jewish State' at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid

IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.

IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.

IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation 'Only to Palestine!'

IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The 'Jewish Agency' leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.

IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first 'Jewish statesman' stated: 'The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important'. Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation 'One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe'.



There are additional similar questions to be asked of these atheist degenerates known as 'Jewish statesmen', but for the time being let them respond to the ten questions.

These Zionist 'statesmen' with their great foresight, sought to bring an end two two-thousand years of Divinely ordained Jewish subservience and political tractability. With their offensive militancy, they fanned the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and succeeded in forging a bond of Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding countries.

These are the 'statesmen' who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist 'statesmen' forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist 'statesmen' lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.

The Zionist 'statesmen' have incited and continue to incite an embittered Jewish youth to futile wars against world powers like England, and against masses of hundreds of millions of Arabs.

AND THESE SAME ZIONIST 'STATESMEN' HEEDLESSLY PUSH THE WORLD TO THE BRINK OF ANOTHER TOTAL WAR - REVOLVING ENTIRELY AROUND THE HOLY LAND.

What may befall the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, of the Arab crescent, Europe, or the USA; is of no concern to these Zionist leaders. The rising anti-Semitism in the Western World is the product of their 'statesmanship'.

Under the guise of 'love of Israel', the Zionist 'statesmen' seduced many Jews to replace devotion to the Torah and its Sages with devotion to the scoundrel who founded Zionism. It is of no little significance that Herzl originally sought conversion of the Jews as a solution to the problems of the Diaspora. When he realized that this was not acceptable to the Jewish masses, he contrived Zionism as a satisfactory alternative!

A look into history reveals that this very same type of 'statesmen' opposed the call of Jeremiah the prophet to yield to the minions of Nebuchadnezzar at the destruction of the first Temple. Five centuries later, Rabbi Yochonon Ben Zakai appealed to the people to surrender to Titus the Roman to avoid bloodshed. The 'statesmen' rejected this appeal, and the second Temple was destroyed by the Romans. --- And now for the past fifty years, the Zionist 'statesmen' rebuff the leadership of our Sages; and continue in their policy of fomenting anti-Semitism. When will they stop?? Must every Jew in America also suffer?? - Even the Nazi monsters had more sense, and gave up their war before all Germany was destroyed. The Zionist 'statesmen' ridicule the sacred oath which the Creator placed upon the Jews in the Diaspora. Our Torah, in Tractate Ksubos, folio 111, specifies that the Creator, blessed be He, swore the Jews not to occupy the Holy Land by force, even if it appears that they have the force to do so; and not rebel against the Nations. And the Creator warned that if His oath be desecrated, Jewish flesh would be 'open property', like the animals in the forest!! These are words of our Torah; and these concepts have been cited in Maimonides' 'Igeres Teimon', 'Be'er HaGola', 'Ahavas Yehonosson', and in 'Toras Moshe' of the Chasam Sofer.

IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.

Yidden - merciful sons of merciful fathers - how much longer must holy Jewish blood continue to be shed??

The only solution is:

The Jewish people must reject, outright, a 'Jewish State'.

The Jewish people should accept the US compromise.

We must depose the atheist-Zionist 'statesmen' from their role as Jewish leaders, and return to the faithful leadership of our sages.

We beseech the Nations to open all doors to immigration - not only the doors of Palestine.

Peaceful, non-Zionist religious personalities in Palestine, (particularly from the native population) and their counterparts in the Diaspora, should engage in responsible, face-to face negotiations on behalf of the Jewish people, with the British and the Arabs; with an aim of amicable settlement of the Palestine issue.



Every Jew is obliged to pray to the Blessed creator, for in Him lies all our strength. Let us bear in mind that our prayers be forthright. One should not entreat the Creator to provide a banquet on Yom Kippur, and one can not perform a ritual ablution with a dead bug in his hand. Similarly, we should avoid the untenable position of the robber who prays for Divine help in carrying out his crime. We should pray that Zionism and its fruits vanish from the Earth, and that we be redeemed by the Messiah with dispatch.

A prisoner is released only when he has served his time, or if he is pardoned by the President for good behavior. If he attempts escape and is apprehended, his term is lengthened, besides the beating he receives when he is caught.

Faithful Jews- for over three and one-half thousand years, in all parts of the world, through all trials, our grandfathers and grandmothers marched through seas of blood and tears in order to keep the Faith of the Torah unswervingly. If we have compassion for ourselves, for our women and children, and for the Jewish people, we will maintain our golden legacy today. We have been sentenced to exile by the King of Kings because of our sins. The eternal blessed be He, has decreed that we accept the exile with humble gratitude until the time comes, or until we merit His pardon through repentance if we seek to end the exile with force, G-d will catch us, as our sages have forewarned, and our sentence becomes longer and more difficult.

Many times in the past have segments of our people been defrauded by false messiahs - but none of the false messiahs has been as fallacious and delusory as the lie of Zionism. With our historical experience as our guide, no retribution has been or will be greater than the retribution for giving credence to Zionism. If we wish our exile-sentence commuted, we must appeal through repentance; and through total physical and spiritual observance of the Sabbath, laws of family purity, and study of Torah.

Let it be clearly understood that never in Jewish history (even in the time of Jeroboam or Achav) have such hostile atheists stood at the helm of the Jewish people as today.

How can we plead to the Almighty for mercy while we tolerate these vile, 'wicked' leaders as spokesmen! Beloved brothers - let us cleanse our ranks and cleanse our midst; let us entreat the Almighty through prayer, repentance, and fulfillment of mitzvos that He alone redeem us, immediately.

THIS QUESTION'S IS NOT FOR ZIONIST ONLY!!LOL!?THIS ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS FOR ALL OF U??HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH?LOL!HEH......

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palistine
6/18/2002 (11:51)
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YES,
SANDY REDMOND,
PAESTINIANS WANT PEACE!YOU DONT KNOW THAT ???LOL!!!1-U SHOULD REMEMBER THAT.
2-U SHOULD NOT ASK THIS EASY QUESTIONS!LOL??/HEH?LOL
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TheAZCowBoy
6/18/2002 (13:01)
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Re: 'I don't get it. Our President was prepared to give support to Palestinians hopes for a state tonight on TV ina speech, but now the Palestinians have done thie heinous, evil act.'

Dear Madam, your president DIM BULB is a liar, a cheater and as long as he continues to arm the Zionist thugs and disarm the Arabs--lQQk for more of this!

Get your paraste Jewish Settlers and IDF'ers off the West Bank, Gaza and east 'Arab' Jerusalem and everything will be hunky dory?

I suppose you didn't see the IDF'ers carnage and massacres at Jenin, Ramallah and Rafah last month, huh?

I suggest you get informed or go knit booties for your grandchildren--OK?

TheAZCowBoy,
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Salem
6/18/2002 (14:19)
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Get your parasinette te Jewish Settlers and IDF'ers off the West Bank, Gaza and east 'Arab' Jerusalem and everything will be hunky dory?

Yes AZCowBoy..!!
Lynette has said that in this forum, a month ago, to Sharon and his Zionomafioses: ''JUST GET OUT..!!''
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Lynette
6/18/2002 (14:27)
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For the benefit of slower members of the Pro Israeli cheersquad:


Don't mumble about how 'difficult' or 'complex' the situation is. It isn't. You are the oppressor. You are the occupier. You park your tanks on plundered land. You fill your swimming pools with stolen water. You kill and destroy in order to inherit. So don't bullshit about 'the situation.' Just get out!

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real watcher
6/18/2002 (15:32)
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All civilian kllings are reprehensible whoever carries them out.

But if one looks back at the record since the state of Israel was established in 1948 -- the ratio of Arab civilans killed by Israel to Israeli civilians killed by Arabs probably is near 100 to 1
Something like 20,000 civilians killed in the 1982 Lebanaon invasion alone.
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...More...
6/18/2002 (16:08)
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Go..To.. (10.. palestinechronicle.com ..(2).. nilemedia.com ..(3).. aaan.org ..(4).. mashriq.org/A22/
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TheAZCowBoy
6/18/2002 (16:45)
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Real facts for 'Real watcher:'

If all the Jews that have been murdered by 'all' Arabs of the 1956 Olympics, the Klinghoffer's, 'The Roadside murderers' and 'The Children of Ma'lott' were added up they would amount to less than 10% of the 28,000 civilians the LIKUDNIK & IDF killer's, Begin & Sharon murdered in Lebanon, summer of 1982.

We'll skip Sabra, Shatilla, Qana, Jenin, Ramallah and Rafah, OK?

TheAZCowBoy,

PS: Hey 'WORN,' you new here? Please be nice and don't wear out your welcome over here too-OK?
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ADAM
6/18/2002 (20:27)
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THOSE 20,000 PLUS DEAD IN LEBANON WERE MAINLY KILLED BY MUSLEM ARABS, SPECIALLY BY THE SYRIAN ARMY! PAL'S WERE THE ONLY REASON FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF LEBANON.
ARAFAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ALLOWED TO ESCAPE BEIRUT!!
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Wisso
6/18/2002 (21:00)
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ADAM GIVE ME A FUCKING RBEAK U GOD DAMN PARASIT

U HAVE NEVER BEEN TO LEBANON U FUCKING MORON!!!

i was there I SAW THEM WITH MY OWN FUCKING EYES U MORON!!

i DONT CARE IF U WONT ADMIT IT IN YER LIL 2 inch BRAIN but thats a fact, a reality and thats the freakin BOTTOM LINE!!
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Cherie
6/18/2002 (22:12)
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TWO SENTENCES SAY IT ALL...

1). If the Arabs put down their weapons today there would be no more
Violence.

2). If the Jews put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel.
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real watcher
6/18/2002 (22:50)
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No those 20000 were killed by the Israelis.

Lebanon did have a bloody cilivl war in the 1970s with many thousands dead. But Israel did all it could to fan the flames of that war just as it did all it could to keep Iraq and Iran at war as long as possible. In fact the Lebanon civil war never would have happened at all except for the fact that Israel expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to that country and upset the delicate ethnic and religous balance there.
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ADAM
6/18/2002 (23:38)
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REAL WATCHER, DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?!
WAS ISRAEL ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR IRAQ'S INVASION OF KUWAIT?
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIED OVER THERE?!!
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Analyze
6/18/2002 (23:49)
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Obviously, Cherie doesn't have much to say...she keeps repeating her Juvenile chatter as if she's written some genious theory....

What a pitty!
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Wisso
6/18/2002 (24:42)
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ADAM can you just shut up stop changing subjects?

i noticed that whenever u got nothing else to say u just change subject and talk bullshit.

Dont tell me u like Koweities u fucking whor.e.u have said it millions of time how bad u hate islam...and especially arabs..

Koweit has a Dictator as a goverment and yet i have never seen u complain...u constantly complain about arab leaders that r against the US but u never complain about the leaders that r serving Israeli andUS interest.....ur just whore a bitch and i hope u die u god damn mistake!
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TheAZCowBoy
6/18/2002 (24:44)
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Re: 'THOSE 20,000 PLUS DEAD IN LEBANON WERE MAINLY KILLED BY MUSLEM ARABS, SPECIALLY BY THE SYRIAN ARMY!'

Ignorance is bliss ADAM!

Most Jew's are highly educated--what happened to you--fall off the turnip truck?

TheAZCowBoy,
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This does say it all.
6/19/2002 (5:20)
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TWO SENTENCES SAY IT ALL...

1). If the Arabs put down their weapons today there would be no more
Violence.

2). If the Jews put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel.


Everyone here knows it and no one can deny it.
Shut the $%$# up and work for peace you asshole hatemongers.
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Wisso
6/19/2002 (19:02)
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WHAT WEAPON u FUCKING DUMBASS!!!..>PALESTINIAN R TROWING ROCKS U FUCKING MORON..u CALL THIS WEAPONS???

TELL YER JEWISH BBROTHERS to LEAVE THE FUCK OUT OF PALESTINE AND THERE WILL BE NO MORE VIOLENCE!!?
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Wisso
6/19/2002 (19:02)
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WHAT WEAPON u FUCKING DUMBASS!!!..>PALESTINIAN R TROWING ROCKS U FUCKING MORON..u CALL THIS WEAPONS???

TELL YER JEWISH BBROTHERS to LEAVE THE FUCK OUT OF PALESTINE AND THERE WILL BE NO MORE VIOLENCE!!?
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AMERICAN To Wisso
6/19/2002 (22:33)
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Fuck you ya little lying turd.

I guess those were rocks that blew up that bus, huh?

And rocks that blew up all those cafes?

And rocks that murdered that pregnant lady in her bed.

And rocks that launched a qassam missle out of Gaza the other night.

You are such a lying sack of shit wisso I wish I could personally rip your head off and shit down your lying throat.
One day little man I will find you and you will never know what hit you.
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ADAM
6/19/2002 (24:13)
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HEY AMERICAN, NO NEED TO GET UPSET OVER WISSO. THIS IS HAW MUSLEMS ACT, THEY LIE & THEY LIE. I DON'T HATE ANY MUSLEM PERSON, BUT I HATE THAT RELIGION.
I DON'T HATE WISSO AT ALL, BUT I FEEL SORRY FOR HIM. I REALLY DO!!!
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Wisso
6/20/2002 (1:20)
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AMERICAN??

u dont wanna go there with me....u DO not want to compare what palestinians have done to what ISRALEIES have done....a couple of bus bombes r a scratch compared to what israleies have done

To adam: im a Druze ..and dont care if u hate that religion,m that religion is not made for ppl with small brain like yers...go and pray in yer church lil man..pray that u never get the chance to meet ppl like me

And back at u american asshole.. do u really think u scared me with yer post?.....count yerself lucky i never met u bro cos u wouldnt be here talking if i did!!!!