What is true Islam?
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Not John Calvin
6/23/2002 (20:04)
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The U.S. government wants you to know that the Taliban, who yet rule part of Afghanistan, are bad Muslims. Instead, it should be showing that they are totalitarian thugs. There's a big difference.

When the Taliban destroyed the ancient Buddhist statues in their country early this year, Washington repeatedly decried this demolition as un-Islamic. It contradicts 'one of Islam's basic tenets - tolerance for other religions,' intoned the State Department spokesman. It is 'an act of intolerance, which . . . has, in our view, nothing to do with Islam,' declared one of his colleagues.

The Sept. 11 atrocities prompted Imam George W. Bush to declare that these 'violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith.' His wife issued a fatwa deeming the repression of women in Afghanistan 'not a matter of legitimate religious practice.'

More broadly, a State Department Fact Sheet asserts that the Taliban 'misuse Islam' to justify their 'illegal and dishonorable' policies. American officials even have the nerve to instruct Muslims on how to live their faith.

'We accept that Islam is the religion of most Afghans. They can practice it in the way they want,' the acting assistant secretary for South Asian Affairs conceded. But, he added, their Islam 'should be in a spirit of toleration, in a spirit of acceptance of other faiths and creeds.'

Not surprisingly, the Taliban hotly reject these admonishments. Two days after Bill Clinton in 1999 had called their treatment of women 'a terrible perversion' of Islam, they replied: 'Any criticism regarding Afghanistan's Muslims and women's rights should come from a Muslim. This Clinton is not a Muslim and does not know anything about Islam and Muslims.'

Likewise, President Bush's peculiar statements about true Islam being 'nonviolent' spurred a Taliban representative to reply: 'I am astonished by President Bush when he claims there is nothing in the Koran that justifies jihad or violence in the name of Islam. Is he some kind of Islamic scholar? Has he ever actually read the Koran?'

The Taliban have a point, for it is very strange for U.S. government officials to proclaim what is or is not true Islam. Who are they - neither Muslims nor scholars of Islam but representatives of a secular government - to instruct Muslims about their religion? And, realistically, which Muslims accept spiritual guidance from the White House?

Interestingly, U.S. policy in principle agrees that this hectoring is unacceptable. 'Don't presume to lecture Muslims on Islam,' reads an internal State Department memo that bore the secretary of state‘s personal endorsement. The former top State Department official in charge of Afghanistan, Karl Inderfurth, agrees that it is not 'appropriate for non-Muslims to presume to give instruction' about Islamic faith and the Koran.

Bernard Lewis, the leading American scholar of Islam, puts it less diplomatically: 'it is surely presumptuous for those who are not Muslims to say what is orthodox and what is heretical in Islam.'

This is good and sensible advice. Rather than initiate a quixotic and unconvincing campaign to delegitimize the Taliban (or any other instances of militant Islam) on religious grounds, Washington should stick to its knitting - politics. The oppression, poverty, violence, and injustice of Taliban rule offer plenty of evidence to indict it, without having also to contest the regime's Islamic credentials.

Life in Afghanistan has been a living hell. Beatings and arbitrary executions are commonplace; for example, eight boys who dared to laugh at Taliban soldiers were shot dead. In 1998, the Taliban massacred 600 Uzbek villagers in the west; in early 2001, they followed with a massacre of 200 civilians in the center. To prevent defections to the Northern Alliance, the Taliban have taken thousands of families of their own soldiers as hostages and some 400 of those soldiers were just massacred to prevent their changing sides.

The United States government has a powerful message for the world, a message of individualism, freedom, secularism, the rule of law, democracy and private property. But it should have nothing to say about the proper practice of Islam (or any religion).

It's right for President Bush to condemn Taliban rule for the fact that women are 'beaten for wearing socks that are too thin. Men are jailed for missing prayer meetings.' He just shouldn't give his opinion on whether or not these punishments constitute genuine Islam.
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R Felt
6/23/2002 (21:39)
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That's a really good point. You have to realize, though, that many--in fact the vast majority--of the citizens of the US are not quite well-educated enough not to think that a war on terror is a war on Islam. In fact I hear people everyday here in America comment on how terrible Islam is. It really worries me. (I am not a Muslim, but I have a problem with people passing judgment on things they don't understand). They say things like 'just kill them all' and such.

The point I'm getting at is that it may be important for George Bush or anybody (personally I think Bush is a bafoon and for him to be lecturing anybody on Islam, of all things, is a joke) just to get up and try and disassiociate terrorism from Islam before that majority of ignorant people in America feel they are at war with the whole religion.

See if Bush doesn't say anything, then all they here is Jerry Falwell telling them that Islam is a dirty religion, Muslims are 'demon-posessed' and Mohammed was a Pedophile. Unfortunately many people take this as fact.

So do you think it might be forgivable then for Bush and Clinton to make those statements since I think they are obviously aimed at Christian Americans and not Muslims?
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ADAM
6/24/2002 (2:24)
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ISLAM IS A TERRIBLE RELIGION! THIS IS NOT THE POINT. THE POINT IS, CAN ISLAM OR MUHAMMAD SAVE YOU?!
THE ANSWER IS: NO!!!



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carol
6/24/2002 (8:38)
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Several hundred thousand edicts were added after mohamed to justify almost any conceivable act. Mohamed believed in the equality of women. Wearing of veils came much later...and has nothing to do with the original islamic principles...as well as the current intolerance expressed by the fundamentalist terrorists. Any dodo who can read can figure this out. Ironically... the advent of reading in Islamic culture...as is true in almost every other culture where reading became widespread..coincided with the denigration of women. The more left brain rational masculine values took a stronghold at the expense of the more intuitive feminine right brain intelligence.
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muslim
6/24/2002 (14:50)
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Well .. all of this is true .. but at least we did not make mohammed into god .. we did not build our livelyhoods on other people's misery and missfortune ... and most of all .. We still have ONE RELEGION.. not thousands and thousands of churchs and synagogues each making up there faith as they go along ..!! but i guess it is usuall for people to suspect others of there own faults!!!
Muslims today did stray far from the right path .. and yes . ben ladin theories are flawed .. but then again .. what do you excpect from a BUSINESS MAJOR GRAD FROM AMERICAN UNIVERSITY!!! ???
as long as there are people that can understand 1400 years ago arabic language .. and as long as there is an unchanged version of KORAN .. Islam still is the last version of the one god relegion .. and it is just the last upgrade from christianty ( minus idolism) and judaism ( minus the talmud).
Islam is tolerent .. but only to monthestic faiths!! that mean christians and jews.. that means people of the book .. But that is ONLY within the muslim society!! THERE IS NOTHING IN ISLAM that would support actions like the us is preparing against iraq and prosecuting against afghanistan and like what israel is doing to the palys... muslim are not supposed to fight people out side there lands .. NO PRE EMPTIVE STIKES.
I think it is bout time people start researching what they post!
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ADAM
6/24/2002 (17:42)
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TO MUSLEM, YOU DID NOT MAKE MUHAMMAD INTO GOD BECAUSE HE WAS NOT GOD! & HE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GOD, OR A GOD!!
THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BEYWEEN CHRISTIANITY & ISLAM. I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO POST THE DIFFERENCES!!