Democracy can never coexist with fraud..
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SAMSON
7/11/2002 (20:54)
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I always wondered why do the jewish zionist entity 'Israel' lean on American financial help, while their brothers in America are the richest ppl on earth.?? Why do most American rulers in the past, present, and 'future!!' keep helping the zionists extravagantly while knowing that that help would be used to cause misery to palestinians as well as all neighboring arab countries. Meanwhile, they advocate the necessity for the friendship with the arabs?? There must exist some weird unholy mairiage between the rulers of the US and the rulers of zion..!!?? Some ppl say that US Presidancy is dependent upon the American jewish lobby for running successful ballots. This fact, to me, is even weirder. How come 300million Americans always yield to the dictate of 5million jews . Is it brainwashing, or wichcraft? This state, in my opinion, is really the antithesis of DEMOCRACY. Is it true that the voting system of the US is fraudproof. ?? I wonder...Some say that the jewish money and/or the jewish media propaganda control the voting ballots ; that is fraud.! And Democracy can never coexist with fraud..
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ADAM
7/11/2002 (21:41)
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HEY SAMSON, I DON'T KNOW WHICH COUNTRY YOU ARE FROM, BUT I WILL ASSURE YOU THAT THERE ARE NO DEMOCRACYS IN THE WHOLE WORLD THAT COULD MATCH THE U.S.A., U.K., & ISRAEL'S SYSTEM!
THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IS #1 IN THE WORLD.
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SAMSON
7/11/2002 (22:08)
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GIVE PROOFS OF WHAT YOU SAY MAN. DONT JUST THROW OUT ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS. AND STOP BOASTING. BESIDES, YOUR METHOD OF EXPRESSING YOURSELF EXPOSES YOUR POOR EXPERIENCE IN DEMOCRACY AND SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE . HOW OLD ARE YOU?
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R. Zuercher
7/11/2002 (22:22)
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I am sure Mr. Samson is from the Dictatorship of Switzerland, right Sir, Mr. Samson?

R. Zuercher
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Richard Marvel
7/11/2002 (23:07)
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Sampson,

The total U.S. foreign aid to Jordan, Palestinians, and Egyptians exceeds what we give Israel, so why would we give that aid if we are Zionists.

Also, you should review the instances when the U.S. position has been opposed to Israel in the past, especially when we negotiated their withdrawl from the Sinai.
You're ignoring all the aid and assistance we give Arabs -- seeing only what you want to see.
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R. Zuercher
7/11/2002 (24:11)
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ESFunds to Egypt for the year 2002:

The USAID Program
USAID plans to spend $655 million in ESF in Egypt in FY 2002 and is requesting $615 million in ESF in FY 2003. The Mission Performance Plan stresses accelerating economic growth-essential to strengthening Egypt as a stable and prosperous U.S. ally. The overall goal of USAID's strategy is a globally competitive economy that benefits Egyptians equitably. Three strategic objectives aim at creating private sector jobs: (1) bolster the trade and investment environment; (2) develop competitiveness skills; and (3) increase access to sustainable utility services. Four strategic objectives target the enhancement of the human and natural resource base: (1) upgrade natural resource management; (2) provide health services; (3) strengthen governance and participation; and (4) improve basic education to meet market demand.


ESFunds to Jordan for the year 2002:

The USAID Program
USAID will devote $150 million in ESF in FY 2002 to Jordan and is requesting $250 million in ESF in FY 2003. USAID's program focuses on three strategic objectives (SOs): Improved Water Resources Management; Improved Access to and Quality of Reproductive and Primary HealthCare; and Increased Economic Opportunities for Jordanians. At the higher funding level, USAID/Jordan does not plan to add any new strategic objectives. However, it will expand the scope of activities to include social sector issues related to education, population, and family health. Additionally, one Intermediate Result indicator each will be added to the water resources and economic opportunities objectives to track rural development and poverty statistics under these strategic objectives. USAID will work with the State Department and the Jordanians to put in place the appropriate mechanisms to program and manage the increased funding level. The proposed activities and mechanisms are outlined in the Program Data Sheets below.


ESFunds to Palestine for the year 2002:

I will provide you with the exact figures yet Sir!


ESFunds to Israel for the year 2002:

US foreign aid to Israel
May 20, 2002
By MIFTAH

The nature of US foreign aid to Israel

A) The nature of US foreign aid to Israel
A1. Constitutes 30% of the total US foreign aid budget, which renders Israel to be the largest recipient of US aid in the world

„h Since 1987, the US congress has annually been approving a foreign aid bill totaling an average of $3 billion of American taxpayers' money to Israel, $1.2 billion in economical aid, and $1.8 billion in military aid.

„h After the gulf war in 1991, the US has additionally been offering Israel $2 billion annually in federal loan guarantees, which brings the total US foreign aid to Israel to about $5 billion, or $13.7 million per day.


„h Other forms of aid to Israel are a result of 'consequential' aid, such as the approximate $1.5 billion in total tax-deductible private donations from numerous Jewish charities and individual donors. 'Consequential' aid to Israel adds up to an approximate $8 billion in total US foreign aid to Israel.

„h All in all, this is the largest amount of foreign aid given to a country, and constitutes over 30% of the total amount of US foreign aid budget.

A2. Started in 1948 and gradually increased over the years
„h Soon after the Truman decision in 1948 to recognize Israel as a Jewish State, the US Congress approved an aid package in the form of a $135 million Export-Import Bank loan in order to take in holocaust survivors and provide them with homes.

„h Until 1973, aid was mainly made up of military, economic and export-import bank loans, although annual economic grants ranging between $0.1 and $74 million were also offered between the years 1951 and 1962.


„h After the 1973 war, the US aid to Israel constituted largely of military and economic grants to help strengthen the Israeli defense forces. This included $12-80 million, which was annually granted towards the establishment of Jewish settlements.

„h This TABLE shows the history of US financial assistance to Israel, as documented by the Jewish Virtual Library. Notice the pattern of increased assistance over the years for economic, military and Jewish immigrant grants, especially after 1973. This pattern reflects the US interests (section A3) in empowering Israel as the only democratic, close ally in the region, and not for the pure intent to assist a developing country.


A3. Promotes American interests in the Middle East
„h The US funding to Israel acts as the backbone for the strategic partnership between both countries. By advancing Israel's technological and military powers, the US is able to share intelligence information regarding Arab militant groups, like Hizbullah, as well as information regarding the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in countries such as Iran, Iraq and Syria
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„h Three quarters of the military aid to Israel goes for importing US-made military equipment such as F-16 and Apache attack helicopters. This creates a job market for US citizens and transforms Palestine into a test ground for US made weaponry, used daily against Palestinians.

„h Israel has cooperated with the US arms industry to develop more effective military equipment at affordable costs to the US. About one quarter of the military aid to Israel is contributed towards military research and development, where several innovative jet fighters, missiles and navigating and targeting devices have been manufactured and sold back to the US. Examples are the ITALD, Litening, Popeye and the UAV.


A4. Proposed by Israel in 1998 to be reduced in an effort to establish an economically independent country
„h In 1998, according to an agreement with the Clinton Administration and Congress, Israel voluntarily requested to decrease its financial dependence on US economic aid by phasing it out over a period of 10 years.

„h The $1.2 billion in economic aid will be reduced by $120 million each year until it is down to zero in the year 2008. This will help Israel to become an economically independent country.


„h However, 50% of the savings (i.e. $60 million) each year will be added to an emergency military aid fund to Israel. This demonstrates the US's persistence and commitment to help Israel gain control of the region.


B) The controversy for US foreign aid to Israel
B1. Granted in disproportion to Israel's size and needs

„h Israel is an economically, technologically, and militarily advanced country, with a per capita rate of $14,000, which is higher that that of all neighboring Arab countries, including the oil-rich Saudi Arabia. It is ranked as the world's sixteenth wealthiest country, yet the US aid to Israel constitutes 30% of the total US foreign aid budget.

„h Israeli population is 5.8 million, which only constitutes one thousandth of the world's total population. Between the years 1949 and 1998, the US has provided a total of $84 billion in aid to Israel, which exceeds that given to all countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean combined, with a total population of about 1.054 billion people.

B2. Promotes the illegal occupation of Palestinian land in order to establish settlements for Jewish immigrants

„h A portion of US foreign aid to Israel, which has increased in the past decade to $80 million annually, goes into building settlements for Jewish immigrants. This occurs by the illegal confiscation of Palestinian land and home demolition to allow for space. Jewish settlements surround every single Palestinian city in the West Bank, and their rapid construction since 1973 has prevented the creation of a feasible Palestinian State.

„h Jewish settlements are built on confiscated Palestinian land to accommodate Jewish immigrants from all over the world, based on the Israeli Law of Return. These immigrants are guaranteed the right to Israeli citizenship, free Hebrew learning, and immediate employment. On the other hand, Palestinian refugees who were forced to flee their homes in 1948 and 1967 are forbidden from returning to their towns of origin.

B3. Transforms Palestine into a military test ground

„h Seventy five percent of US military aid to Israel goes into purchasing US-made military equipment, such as tanks, machine guns, bullets, helicopter gunships, and more. The US depends on Israel to test new military technologies in war conditions. For example, uranium-depleted ammunition has been fired at civilians in Palestine.



B4. Violates US Law and abuses human rights

„h The Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) of the United States, which provides guidelines for the eligibility of certain countries to purchase US-made weapons and military equipment, states in section 116 that 'No assistance may be provided under this part to the government of any country which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.' However, Israeli army engages daily in degrading and inhumane treatments towards Palestinians, such as prolonged detention without charges, strip searches at checkpoints, beatings, torture, and home demolitions. According to Amnesty International, Israel is the only country that legalizes torture.

„h Similarly, section 4 of the Arms Export control Act prevents the US government from selling defense articles to countries that abuse their use for non-self-defense purposes. In 2001, the US State Department described the actions of Israeli army against Palestinians as an 'excessive use of force,' referring to the use of live ammunition when soldiers were not in a pending danger. This clearly shows that the US does not agree with the way these weapons are being used against Palestinians, yet the US military aid to Israel continues consistently as agreed between both countries.

B5. Inflicts great economic losses upon the American people

„h Besides the roughly $8 billion in annual taxpayer money to Israel, there are hard to track forms of aid which have been causing great economic losses to the American people. According to the Central Bank of Israel, in the 1980's the US bailed out the Israeli banking system at a cost of $10-12 billion in military and economic aids. Congressional researchers disclose that this money was never paid back, and has been forgiven by the American government.

„h The US's trade deficit with Israel is about $5-5.5 billion. This is due to trade imbalance between both countries. While the US pays real money for imports from Israel, Israel does not pay real money for its imports from the US. This costs the American people an equivalence of a quarter million jobs.


„h In a similar manner, there are great losses to American military institutions. For every dollar of military equipment the US gives Israel, the US buys 60 cents worth of Israeli equipment. Only the difference here is that the US pays with real money, but Israel does not.

„h The Oil Supplies Guarantee affirms that if Israel's oil supply is to be cut off for any political or economic reason, the US guarantees to provide Israel with oil regardless of the US oil supply levels. This guarantee carries with it a potential price tag of $20-30 billion a day.



SOURCES
1. Al-Awda, http://al-awda.org/
2. Center for Policy Analysis on the Middle East (CPAP), http://www.palestinecenter.org, comments by Thomas Stauffer
3. Global Exchange, http://www.globalexchange.org/
4. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, http://www.aipac.org/
5. The Jewish Virtual Library, http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/
6. The Palestine monitor, http://www.palestinemonitor.org/
7. USAID, http://www.usaid.gov/
8. Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, http://www.wrmea.com/, comments by Stephen Zunes

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Please Mr. Marvel, do some more research!

Thank you and kind regards

R. Zuercher

reply by
ADAM
7/11/2002 (24:15)
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SAMSON, WHAT PROOF DO YOU NEED MAN?! IF YOU EVER LIVED IN THIS COUNTRY, & YOU WERE WILLING TO WORK HARD & ADVANCE YOUSELF, THEN THE SKY BECOMES THE LIMIT! I SPENT SOME TIME IN EUROPE & VERY SOON I BECAME HOME SICK! THERE IS NOWHERE LIKE THE GOOD OLD U.S.A.
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SAMSON
7/12/2002 (1:34)
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ADAM, you are still at your teens. Read Mr. Zuercher's last post. He gave us facts, numerical facts, supported by referaces. He writes to convince the reader not deceive him, because he respects his listeners. He is a respectable man; a democratic civilized humanbeing. When you read him you enhance your knowledge, widen your vision, and become wizer.. Thank you Mr.Zuercher.
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TheAZCowBoy
7/12/2002 (2:06)
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Re: This ADAM, :( He just won't stop putting his foot in his mouth, huh folks? :) 'THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IS #1 IN THE WORLD.'

Interesting that the Zionist low lives of Israel continue to resist the US efforts to get them to write an Israeli Constitution and Bill of Rights and maybe some defined borders, huh folks?

Can you imagine an Israel 'Where all men are created equal?' With certain 'inalienable rights, such as the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?!

Excuse me folks, I think I am going to vomit!

TAC,
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ADAM
7/12/2002 (20:27)
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TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I MYSELF AM AGAINST SENDING OUR TAX MONEY TO FOREIGN NATIONS, YES THAT INCLUDES ISRAEL, BUT NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE FACE OF THIS EARTH SHOULD RECEIVE A PENNY!
WOULD THIS MAKE YOU PEOPLE HAPPY?
WELL I WILL ASSURE YOU THAT ISRAEL WILL STILL SURVIVE THE ORDEAL, BUT HOW ABOUT EGYPT, JORDAN, PALS, & FEW OTHER ARAB NATIONS WHO RECEIVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF OUR HARD EARN TAX MONEY?! WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM, HUH...?
DID YOU KNOW THAT OUR 2.5 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IS KEEPING MUBARAK IN POWER?! OR HOW ABOUT THE KING OF JORDAN? WHO IS GOING TO FEED HIS MILITARY MACHINE? WITHOUT OUR MIGHTY DOLLAR, THEY WOUDENT LAST A DAY!
ISRAEL RECEIVES MUCH MORE MONEY FROM JEWS ALL OVER THE WORLD!!
THEY ARE VERY DEDICATED.
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Leonardo
7/13/2002 (16:50)
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WELL I WILL ASSURE YOU THAT ISRAEL WILL STILL SURVIVE THE ORDEAL, BUT HOW ABOUT EGYPT, JORDAN, PALS, & FEW OTHER ARAB NATIONS WHO RECEIVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF OUR HARD EARN TAX MONEY?! WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM, HUH...?
___________________________________________________________________________
ADAMOSKY'
WE NEED PROOFS!! LIAR !!
REFERENCES!! LIAR !!
reply by
TheAZCowBoy
7/13/2002 (23:43)
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Re: Captain MARVEL decries; 'Democracy can never coexist with fraud.'

TAC: Humm, Captain MARVEL again with his Zionist drivel.

I suppose you haven't thought about that 1/2 of Zionist hell called Isriol, huh?

IT'S A TOTAL FRAUD POSING AS A BONIFIED DEMOCRACY.....

I mean, Isriol the leading White Slave marketing nation in the world.

Isriol, the biggest exporter and distributor of Ecstasy in the world.

The biggest number of Jewish Wall Street crooks in America. Active, Convicted and on Parole.

The biggest criminal element in the US Congress, Senators: Lieberman, Boxer, Levin, Feinstein, finegold, Lantos, et al.

The biggest bigots and racists in the new Millennium--now that Slob Milosevic is 'retired.'

The only Apartheid state in the modern world and lacking the gonads to attend the UN's World Apartheid meeting in Durbin, Africa 2 years ago.....


To be continued......

TheAZCowBoy,
reply by
ADAM
7/15/2002 (1:08)
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LEONARDO, HOW MUCH PROOF DO YOU NEED? ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TO LOOK AT THEIR DAILY SITUATION!
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Leonardo
7/15/2002 (8:14)
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LOOK AT THEIR DAILY SITUATION!
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ADAMOV,
You are a poor defender of your tribe. Moron!! you said nothing. Just describe ''THE DAILY SITUATION'' you refer to as a proof.