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ADAM
7/21/2002 (16:49)
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DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR ME, FRIEND, BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME!
I AM NOT LIVING IN A FANATIC DREM, BUT A REAL WORLD WITH REALITY PEOPLE, & A REAL GOD WHO IS IN FULL CONTROL OF EVERY THING THAT IS TAKING PLACE!
LESS THAT 1% OF JEWS IN THIS COUNTRY MIGHT IN SOME WAYS SHARE THE SAME VIEWS AS YOU DO! NOT ONLY 99% OF ALL JEWS IN THE WORLD DO ACCEPT ISRAEL AS THEIR RIGHTFUL LAND, BUT HERE IN THIS COUNTRY ALONE, TENS OF MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS STRONGLY SUPPORT THE STATE OF ISRAEL, & I AM ONE OF THEM!
THE BIBLE IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE JEWISH LAND & THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN VERY SOON ACCORDING TO PROPHESIS BY THE PROPHETS WITH WHOM GOD HAD SPOKEN THROUGH.
IT IS NOT ME, OR YOU TO DECIDE WHAT IS TO HAPPEN TO THE JEWISH STATE. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED, & IT WILL COME TO PASS!
I DO NOT HATE MUSLEMS AS PEOPLE. THEY ARE CREATED BY THE SAME GOD WHO HAS CREATED THE JEWS. GOD HAS CHOSEN JEWS FOR HIS OWN PURPOSE, & HE HAS BEEN USING THEM EVERSINCE UNTIL THE RETURN OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
JEWS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO THEIR FATHERS LAND ONCE MORE (AS IT IS WRITTEN) SO THAT GOD OF THE ABRAHAM, ISSAC & JACOB WILL SHOW THE ENTIRE WORLD W/ ALL OF IT'S INHABITANTS, THAT HE IS THE LORD & IN FULL CONTROL, & NO ONE SHALL REMAIN STANDING, BY FIGHTING HIS WORD WHICH IS SPOKEN!
HISTORY, WHOEVER YOU ARE, MUSLEM OR ANY OTHER RELIGION, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU TO COME TO KNOW OUR LORD JESUS. IT WILL NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO GET TO KNOW HIM, BUT WILL COST YOU DEARLY BY NOT ACCEPTING HIM AS YOU LORD & SAVIOR.
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muslim
7/21/2002 (17:50)
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The great messenger of God, Jesus, says: 'And this is life eternal, that they might know You the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.' John 17:3

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: 'Do not over-praise me as the Christians over-praised Jesus the son of Mary. I am His slave, so say: 'God's slave and messenger'.' Narrated by both Al-Bukhari and Muslim

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1.1 Christian perspective


It is my great privilege and pleasure to have been invited to address the readers [of this publication] on some of the most important distinctions between Christianity and Islam. Four questions have been proposed as a means of clarifying the Biblical perspective in relation to the series of articles on Jesus and Christianity that appeared last semester.


As I see it, all four questions essentially come together in one basic question: Who is Jesus? The answer to that question, and the heart of the message that has been proclaimed by followers of Jesus since His advent, is that 'you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.' (John 20:31).

Addressing each of these questions may now help clarify this historic Christian conviction.


1. Is there a Trinity?


The Biblical teaching of God's essential nature, summarized in the word 'Trinity,' rests largely on our understanding of the identity of Jesus, a question I will take up in some length under question #3.


At this point, perhaps a demonstration that the terminology for the doctrine of the Trinity is found throughout the New Testament:


* 'therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit...' (Matthew 28:19).


* 'There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.' (I Corinthians 12:4-6).


* 'May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.' (II Corinthians 13:14).


* 'But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.' (Jude 20-21).


The doctrine of the Trinity is perhaps best understood in terms of Christian salvation. Christians believe that God the Father wills that we be reconciled to Him from sin, and that He sent the Son, Who in His perfect life and substitutionary death provides the basis of that reconciliation, and that the Father now, in Jesus' name, sends the Holy Spirit, Who applies the salvation of Jesus to the Christian believers, thus saving them and empowering them to live lives of victory over sin. Thus is the Christian's experience and assurance of salvation in terms of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yet they absolutely believe that there is only one God. How do we put this together? This is where the word 'Trinity' comes in. It expresses this truth about God as it is found in the Bible.


This is certainly not an exhaustive explanation, but it may help to demonstrate the significance of the doctrine in practical Christian life.



2. Is Jesus the physical (begotten/sired) son of GodSon of God?


Jesus is presented in the New Testament as the Son of God by virtue of His unique eternal relationship with the Father and by means of His unique virgin birth. We need to understand, then, how Jesus is the Son of God. The New Testament tells us how:


This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.


But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, 'Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins. (Matthew 1:18-21).


The question as stated implies that Jesus is somehow the result of a physical union between God and Mary, but this is not at all the case. Jesus' birth is a miraculous event through the agency of the Holy Spirit. Thus the Son's deity is incarnated, or made flesh; in this Jesus is the 'God-man'


Begotten is the old English word that, while in human terms means to have a child, the emphasis even there is that what a human father 'begets' shares in the essential nature of that father. It is in this sense that the King James translates the Greek word monogenes as 'begotten ; Jesus shares the essential nature of the Father, but rather through some physical act, but a supernatural one.



3. Did Jesus Himself ever say in the Bible 'I am God!' or 'worship me!'?


What makes Jesus stand out from all other religious figures is the nature of His claims about Himself. He claims the prerogatives of God, the rightful object of a person's supreme allegiance, and receives with out censure the worship and obedience of those who believe.


A number of examples may help to illustrate this:


A. Forgiveness of sins


In Mark 2:1-12, we read the account of Jesus healing a crippled man. What is so surprising, and so shocking to His original audience, is the statement that Jesus makes before healing the man.


As Jesus sees a group of men bring the paralytic to Him, Mark records the scene:


When Jesus saw their faith , he said to the paralytic, 'Son, your sins are forgiven.'


Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, 'Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?' Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, 'Why are you thinking these things? Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, take your mat and walk'? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...' He said to the paralytic, 'I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.' He got up, took his mat and walked out in full view of them all.


B. Titles


Jesus in the Gospels appropriates two significant titles throughout His ministry:


1. The Son of Man


This is the title that Jesus Himself uses most frequently. It is a Messianic title derived from the Old Testament book of Daniel. When we read the passage in Daniel, the implicit claim that Jesus is making about Himself becomes apparent:


In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He (the son of man) was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshipped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. (Daniel 7:13-14).



2. The Son of God


At His trial Jesus affirmed this title: Again the high priest asked him, 'Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?' 'I am,' said Jesus. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. (Mark 14:61-63).



C. Jesus' direct claims


At the climax of a lengthy argument, Jesus speaks of Himself: 'Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.' 'You are not yet fifty years old,' the Jews said to him, 'and you have seen Abraham!' 'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!' At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.' (John 8:56-59).


The shock of this claim are those two words 'I am.' It is the same designation that God used for Himself in His call to Moses: God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'' (Exodus 3:14).


D. Jesus receives worship


Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, Jesus said, 'Do you believe in the Son of Man?' 'Who is he, sir?' the man asked. 'Tell me so that I may believe in him..' Jesus said, 'You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you..' Then the man said, 'Lord. I believe,' and he worshipped him.' (John 9:35-38).


Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshipped him... (Matthew 28:16-17).


E. Jesus accepts divine entitlement


In what is a clear dialogue between Jesus and 'Doubting' Thomas, we read: Then Jesus said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe..' Thomas said to him, 'My Lord and my God!' Then Jesus held him,' Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.' (John 20:27-29).


Does Jesus say, 'I am God'? No, because that would have been misunderstood. Jesus is not the Father (as it would have been thought), Jesus is the Son. But He clearly claims an absolutely unique relationship with God whom Jesus calls 'Father.' Jesus claims something about Himself that, through the various miracles, His statements as cited above, and the response He receives from other people, is slowly filled-out, and the meaning of His Sonship becomes clear.


In the very opening of his Gospel, the Apostle John presents Jesus as 'the Word' and provides perhaps the clearest explanation of the identity of Jesus, the meaning of the incarnation, and a further glimpse into the reality of the Trinity:


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:1-4; 14).



4. If it can be proven, through the Bible, that Jesus is not God, nor the physical/begotten/sired son of GodSon of God, neither is there any trinity, then will this prove that the unscrupulous few have corrupted the word of God?


The Christian message about Jesus revolves around three facts: the incarnation, the crucifixion, and the resurrection. Prove from the Bible or otherwise that any one of these three things are not true, and like a three-legged stool the truth of the message would collapse.


Most 'proofs' against the traditional teachings of Christianity consist of pitting one passage of Scripture against another, and almost always taking such passages out of context. Context, I believe, always vindicates the understanding of God and of Jesus as I have here tried to briefly present.


I would conclude, then, with an encouragement for the readers to read the Bible, particularly one of the Gospels, for themselves. There, I believe, the words and works of Jesus would provide a most convincing reason to embrace Him as Lord and Savior, and find in Him the spiritual satisfaction that so many today seek after.
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1.2 Muslim perspective



(Note: the rest of chapter one is an expansion of the original response to Mr. J's letter)
Thank you Mr. J for your most thought provoking letter. I would also like to thank you for the knowledge you have provided therein. In what is to follow I have striven to avoid objectionable or disrespectful wording. This is an academic exchange and not a slug-fest. I am however human. If one or two cases have slipped by me then I apologize in advance for them. They were not intentional. I also realize that this is quite a lengthy response for someone to read in one sitting. However, I ask the reader to try to do so and not to pass judgment until they have managed to receive a complete picture. Now, the response:


The three faiths, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, all purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Known as 'Tawhid' in Islam, this concept of Oneness of God was stressed by Moses (pbuh) in the Biblical passage Known as the 'Shema,' or the Jewish creed of faith:

'Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord'

Deuteronomy 6:4


It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus (pbuh) when he said

'...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.'

Mark 12:29



Muhammad (pbuh) came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again:

'And your God is One God: there is no god but He'

The noble Qur'an, al-Bakarah(2):163


Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century CE (see historical details in section 1.2.5). This doctrine, which continues to be the source of controversy both within and outside the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - in one divine being. Christians must guard themselves from ever claiming that they worship three gods since this would be a heresy of the worst kind. Christians are commanded to always refer to them all as ONE God. This belief, as we shall soon see in coming chapters, was first put to words in the famous 'Creed of Nicea' in 325C.E. Among other things, it says:


'Whoever wishes to be saved must, above all, keep the Catholic faith. For unless a person keeps this faith whole and entire he will undoubtedly be lost forever. This is what the Catholic faith teaches: we worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity. We distinguish among the persons, but we do not divide the substance. For the Father is a distinct person; the Son is a distinct person; and the Holy Spirit is a distinct person. Still the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have one divinity, equal glory, and coeternal majesty. What the Father is, the Son is, and the Holy Spirit is. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated. The Father is boundless, the Son is boundless, and the Holy Spirit is boundless. The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, and the Holy Spirit is eternal. Nevertheless, there are not three eternal beings, but one eternal being. Thus there are not three uncreated beings, nor three boundless beings, but one uncreated being and one boundless being. Likewise, the Father is omnipotent, the Son is omnipotent, and the Holy Spirit is omnipotent. Yet there are not three omnipotent beings, but one omnipotent being. Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. But there are not three gods, but one God. The Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord. There as not three lords, but one Lord. For according to Christian truth, we must profess that each of the persons individually is God; and according to Christian religion we are forbidden to say that there are three gods or lords. …But the entire three persons are coeternal and coequal with one another….So that, as we have said, we worship complete unity in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity. This, then, is what he who wishes to be saved must believe about the Trinity….This is the Catholic faith. Everyone must believe it, firmly and steadfastly; otherwise He cannot be saved. Amen.'


Christian sects are many and varied. However, the majority of Christians the world over believe in the following four basic concepts:

The Trinity,
The divine Sonship of Jesus (pbuh),
The original sin, and
The death of 'the Son of God' on the cross in atonement for the original sin of Adam.

Everything else is pretty much relegated into the background. A Christian can be saved and enter heaven by simply believing in the above creeds. According to St. Paul, the previous law and commandments of God are worthless, this simple belief will guarantee for all comers eternal salvation. For example, St. Paul is quoted to have said:

'Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.'

Romans 3:28.


The words of Saint Paul are held by most of Christianity in the highest regard, and this is understandable since he is the primary author of the majority of the books of the New Testament. However, no matter what role St. Paul played in the definition and spread of Christianity, when displaying respect for the teachings of Paul, it is necessary not to lose sight of the fact that he is in no way equal to Jesus, nor should his command be placed before the command of Jesus if we were to find them to differ from one another. No one, not even Paul or the apostles of Jesus has this right, since they are all, after all, subordinate to Jesus Christ himself.


However, were we to study the religion known today as 'Christ'ianity, we would find that it is the interpretation of St. Paul of what he personally believed to be the religion of Jesus(pbuh). Christianity as it stands today has been reduced to an interpretation of the words of Jesus (pbuh) within the context of what Paul taught rather than the other way around which is the way it should be. We would expect Christianity to be the teachings of Jesus (pbuh) and that the words of Paul and everyone else would be accepted or rejected according to their conformity to these 'Jesuit' teachings. However, we will notice in what follows that Jesus (pbuh) never in his lifetime mentioned an original sin, or an atonement. He never asked anyone to worship him, neither did he ever claim to be part of a Trinity. His words and actions are those of a loyal messenger of God who faithfully and faultlessly followed the commands of his Lord and only told his followers to do the same and to worship God alone (John 4:21, John 4:23, Matthew 4:10, Luke 4:8 ...etc.).


Just one of the countless examples of this placement of the words of Paul above the words of Jesus can be seen in the following analysis: Jesus (pbuh) is claimed to have been prepared for his sacrifice on the cross from the beginning of time and was a willing victim (otherwise we would have to claim that God is a sadistic and torturous God who forced Jesus into such a savage end). However, whenever Jesus (pbuh) was asked about the path to 'eternal life' he consistently told his followers to only 'keep the commandments' and nothing more (Matthew 19:16-21, John 14:15, John 15:10). Not once did he himself ever mention an original sin or a redemption. Even when pressed for the path to 'PERFECTION' he only told his followers to sell their belongings. He departed this earth leaving his followers with the very dire threat:


'For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilledJesus, Fulfillment of Law of Moses. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.'

Matthew 5:18-19.


Obviously, heaven and earth have not yet passed. The fact that you are reading this book bears witness to this very simple fact. So Jesus (pbuh) is telling us that so long as creation exists, the commandments will be required from his followers. Anyone who will dare to say otherwise, until the end of time, will be called 'the least in the kingdom of heaven.' Jesus (pbuh) had foreseen mankind's attempt to distort and annul his commandments, the commandments of Moses (pbuh), which he had taught his followers to keep and himself had kept faithfully till the crucifixion, and was warning his followers in no uncertain terms to be wary of all those who would attempt to do so.


Not long after, Jesus departs. Now Saul of Tarsus (St. Paul), a man who never met Jesus (pbuh), a man who by his own admission persecuted the followers of Jesus (pbuh) by every means within his power and presided over their execution (see below), comes along. Suddenly one day St. Paul receives a vision from Jesus (pbuh), and his whole life is turned around. He now takes it upon himself through the authority of his visions to spread the word of Jesus to the whole world and to explain what Jesus really meant. Paul claims that the law of God through Moses (pbuh) is worthless, decaying and ready to vanish away and faith in the crucifixion is the only requirement for a Christian to enter heaven (Romans 3:28, Hebrews 8:13...etc.). Who do Christians listen to, Jesus or Paul? They listen to Paul. They take the words of Paul literally and then 'interpret' the words of Jesus (pbuh) within the context of the words of Paul. No one takes the words of Jesus (pbuh) literally and explains the words of Paul within the context of Jesus' words.


According to this system of explaining the words of Jesus within the context of Paul's teachings, Jesus never actually means what he says but is constantly speaking in riddles which are not to be taken literally. Even when people attempt to cite the words of Jesus as confirming the teachings of Paul with regard to the original sin, the atonement, ...etc. they never bring clear and decisive words where Jesus actually confirms these things. Instead, they say such things as 'When Jesus spoke of the exodus he was really speaking of the atonement' or so forth. Are we to believe that Paul is the only one who can say what is on his mind clearly and decisively while Jesus (pbuh) is not capable of articulating what he means clearly and decisively but requires interpreters to explain the 'true' meaning of what he said, and to explain how, when he spoke of the commandments, he was not talking of 'the commandments' but of a spiritual commandment and that they will now tell you what this spiritual commandment is that Jesus never managed to talk clearly about?.


It is interesting to note that Jesus was not talking in riddles when he commanded his followers to keep the commandments but was talking of the actual physical commandments of Moses. This can be clearly seen by reading for instance Luke 18:20 where Jesus spells out in no uncertain terms what he means by 'keep the commandments.'


'And I (Jesus) have come confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful for you part of that which was forbidden upon you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord so seek refuge in Allah and obey me'

The noble Qur'an, Aal-Umran(3):50


In the past, I have searched for a logical answer to this puzzle by posing the following questions to respected Christian clergy:

According to you, Jesus is supposed to have been prepared for the 'atonement' from the beginning of time. He should know that it is coming.
Whenever he was asked about the path to 'eternal life' (i.e. Matthew 19:16-22 ..etc.) he consistently told his followers to only 'keep the commandments' just as he had 'kept my father's commandments' ..etc.
Even when he was pressed for more, he only told his followers that in order to be PERFECT they needed only to sell their belongings.
Not once did he mention an 'atonement' or and 'original sin.'
The commandments he spoke about were the commandments of Moses and not some 'spiritual' commandments. This can be seen in the text itself where Jesus (pbuh) explicitly spells out some of the commandments of Moses one by one.
St. Paul, a disciple of a disciple, is the one who is followed by Christianity and not Jesus. Jesus' teachings are explained within the context of Paul's teachings and not vice versa.

Whenever this question would be presented to a respected member of the Christian clergy the response would always be the same: 'Well, don't take Jesus' words literally. St. Paul has told us in Romans ...,' or 'Yes, but St. Paul tells us in Galatians ....,' or 'St. Paul tells us in Corinthians ..' Yet my question remains: where did JESUS every say it? Where does the RED ink say it? Doesn't St. Paul's authority come from Jesus? I simply want a single clear statement from Jesus himself where he endorsed Paul's claims and then it would be possible to accept Paul's claim that he was indeed preaching the 'command of Jesus.' If Jesus were only to say it once then I can accept Paul repeating it a thousand times. However, as we shall soon see, never, not even once in his whole lifetime did Jesus (pbuh) endorse the preachings of Paul.


Getting back to the matter at hand, the reader will notice in Mr. J's response a surprising absence of certain very fundamental verses usually quoted by any Christian man or woman off the street in defense of the 'Trinity' and other issues. The reader may further surmise that Mr. J might not be well versed enough in the Bible to have referred to these verses. This is far from the case. His occupation requires that he know those verses. The fact of the matter is that I have had an ongoing correspondence with Mr. J for a number of months now which he has now asked be publicized. In this correspondence, many of these fundamental verses were dealt with in detail and refuted for various reasons. This is why he did not quote them here. However, in order that all may benefit from this information we will quote these same verses that he has elected not to. We will also study the other verses he has presented.



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carol
7/21/2002 (17:53)
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correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the jews supposed to have their own land AFTER the return of the messiah, not before.
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hmmmm
7/21/2002 (17:54)
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2.3 Did mankind tamper with the Old Testament
'And it came to pass, when moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.'

Deuteronomy 31:25-29


'How can you say we (the Jews) are wise and the law of the Lord is with us, when in fact the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?'

Jeremiah 8:8 (Revised Standard Version)


'And because of their (the Jews) breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their places and have abandoned a good part of the message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them and overlook (their misdeed). Verily! Allah loves the kindly.'

The noble Qur'an, Al-Maidah(5):13.


'O Messenger!(Muhammad) Do not be grieved by those who vie with one another in the race to disbelief, of such as say with their mouths: 'We believe' but their hearts believe not, and of the Jews: of them are those who listen eagerly to lies -listener to others who have not come to you. They change the words from their places; they say: If you are given this then take it, but if you are not given this then beware! He whom Allah dooms unto sin, you (by your efforts) will avail him naught against Allah. Those are they for whom the will of Allah is that He cleanse not their hearts; for them there is a disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a great torment.'

The noble Qur'an, Al-Maidah(5):41.


For countless ages, the only book of history available to Christians and Jews was the Old Testament. When someone wanted to know what happened in the past, they would go back and study the Old Testament to find the answer. New theories about history literally lived and died by their conformance to what the Old Testament taught. Then the discrepancies began to be noticed.


Once mankind began to study the Old Testament in detail, comparing the various passages which referred to the same topic in order to obtain as much detail as possible, they began to notice conflicting accounts of many matters as well as other problems. For instance, in the eleventh century, it was noticed that the list of Edomite kings in Genesis 36 names kings who lived long after Moses was dead Then people began to notice such statements as 'to this day' something is true, which implies that the author was looking back at these matters through history and has seen that they have endured.


After this, it was noticed that in the beginning verses of the OT manuscripts, Deuteronomy says: 'These are the words that Moses spoke to the children of Israel across the Jordan....' They noticed that the words 'across the Jordan' refers to people who are on the opposite side of the Jordan river to the author. But the alleged author, Moses himself, was never supposed to have been in Israel in his life.


It was also noticed that Moses speaks in detail in Deuteronomy 34:5-10 about how he died and where he was buried. Moses also calls himself the most humble man on earth in Numbers 12:3 (would the most humble man on earth call himself the most humble man on earth?). In Deuteronomy 34:10 we read 'And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses.' This also implies that the author was looking back at Moses through history a long time after Moses's death. Now the flood gates were opened and countless other discrepancies began to show up.


In the beginning, it was claimed that Moses wrote the Pentateuch (Five 'books of Moses') and anyone contesting this fact would be severely punished or worse. However, when these matters started to become well known, it became necessary to find explanations. For example, the first explanation presented for the verses referring to the death of Moses was that Moses (pbuh) had written his books, but that later prophets, as well as 'inspired' scribes (who could also be considered prophets), had later on added on a couple of lines here and there. In this manner the text remained 100% the 'inspiration' of God. This explanation, however, did not stand up to scrutiny because the style and literary characteristics of the verses are the same throughout. For instance, the verses which describe the death and burial of Moses exhibit the same literary characteristics as the verses before and after them.


After this, the trend became to explain any and all discrepancies through abstraction and elaborate interpretations, or through the introduction of additional narrative details that did not appear in the biblical text. Around this time, a startling new discovery was made. It was noticed that the stories in the five books of Moses were made up of doublets. A doublet is a case of one story being told twice. Even in the English translation of the Bible, the doublets are noticeable. These doublets have been masterfully intertwined so that they become one narrative.


For example, there are doublets of the creation of the world, the covenant between God and Abraham, the naming of Isaac, Abraham's claim that his wife Sarah was his sister, the story of Jacob's journey to Mesopotamia, Jacob's revelation at Beth-El,...etc. In many cases these doublets actually contradict one another. The apologists once again jumped up with an explanation in hand. They claimed that the doublets were complementary and not contradictory. It was claimed that they came to teach us a lesson by their 'apparent' contradiction. However, this claim did not hold water for long. The reason is that not long after, it was discovered that when the doublets were separated into two separate accounts, each account was almost always consistent about the name of the deity that it used. One would always refer to God as Yahweh/Jehovah. This document was called 'J.' The other always referred to Him as Elohiym(God). It was called 'E.' There were various other literary characteristics which were then found to be common to one group or the other. It became obvious that someone had taken two separate accounts of the ministry of Moses (pbuh), cut them up, and then woven them together quite masterfully so that their actions would not be discovered until countless centuries later.


Once this startling discovery was made, the Old Testament was once again placed under the scrutiny of scholars and it was discovered that the Pentateuch was not made up of two major source documents but FOUR. It was discovered that some stories were not only doublets, but triplets. Additional literary characteristics were identified for these documents. The third source was called P (for Priestly), and the fourth D (for Deuteronomy). In the end it was concluded that the first four 'books of Moses' were the result of the merging of three separate accounts which were called J, E, and P, and the book of Deuteronomy was found to be a separate account which was called D. The person (or persons) who collected and intertwined these sources was called 'The Redactor.'


'D (DEUTERONOMIST). The designation of one of the principle literary sources or strata of the PENTATEUCH. The Deuteronomist was the editor or compiler of this source, which is roughly coextensive with the book of Deuteronomy'

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Abingdon Press, Vol. 1, p. 756


'E (ELOHIST). One of the principle narrative sources or strata of the PENTATEUCH. The term is derived from a Hebrew word for 'God' ... the use of which is characteristic of this source'

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Abingdon Press, Vol. 2, p. 1


'J. One of the principle narrative sources or strata of the PENTATEUCH. The symbol is derived from the personal name of God, Jehovah ... the use of which is characteristic of this source. It is commonly regarded as Judahite in origin, and somewhat earlier than E (tenth-ninth centuries B.C.)'

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Abingdon Press, Vol. 2, p. 777


'P. The designation of the so-called Priestly source of the PENTATEUCH. To this source are assigned most of the liturgical, genealogical, legal, and technical materials, connected by a bare minimum of narrative. The Priestly narrative is usually dated after the captivity, in the sixth or fifth century B.C.'

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Abingdon Press, Vol. 3, p. 617


'The critical analysis of the Hexateuch [the five 'books of moses' plus the book of Joshua] is the result of more than a century of profound study of the documents by the greatest critics of the age. There has been a steady advance until the present position of agreement has been reached, in which Jew and Christian, Roman Catholic and Protestant, Rationalistic and Evangelical scholars, Reformed and Lutheran, Presbyterian and Episcopal, Unitarian, Methodist, and Baptist all concur. The analysis of the Hexateuch into several distinct original documents is a purely literary question in which no article of faith is involved. Whoever in these times, in the discussion of the literary phenomena of the Hexateuch appeals to the ignorance or prejudice of the multitude as if they were any peril to faith in these processes of Higher Criticism, risks his reputation for scholarship by so doing. There are no Hebrew professors on the continent of Europe, so far as I know, who deny the literary analysis of the Pentateuch into the four great documents'

Who wrote the Bible, Washington Gladden, Boston: Houghton, pp. 57-58


What exactly does the author mean by the statement 'Whoever in these times, in the discussion of the literary phenomena of the Hexateuch appeals to the ignorance or prejudice of the multitude as if they were any peril to faith in these processes of Higher Criticism, risks his reputation for scholarship by so doing' ? Well, he is referring to the practices of men who have a regrettable formula for selling their books which is based upon backing the reader into a corner and then giving them only one way to save their faith. For example, they would say words to the effect 'Either the Bible is 100% the inspired, unchanged, and undisputed word of God or else it is the greatest hoax ever foisted upon mankind from the beginning of time.' Such authors only allow their readers to accept one extreme or the other. In effect, they are telling their readers 'either you accept every word and every syllable as undying inspired truth or else renounce Jesus and become a pagan.'


However, the truth lies at neither extreme. Allah Almighty tells us in the Qur'an:


'O people of the book! Do not go to extremes in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth.'

The noble Qur'an, Al-Nissah(4):171


The fact that we recognize that mankind has tampered with the Bible does not mean that God, at one point in time, did not send down a revelation upon prophet Moses, or that He did not send down a revelation upon prophet Jesus (peace be upon them both). It only means that 'thou shalt love the Lord thy God … with all thy mind, …' Mark 12:30. The fact that we wish to sift out the words of man from the book of God and only follow the words of God is not by any stretch of the imagination an abandonment of God or Jesus. Quite the contrary, anyone who is not willing to do their utmost in protecting the words of God from the tampering fingers of mankind has indeed forsaken the very first commandment of God.


'For almost two millennia the Pentateuch buted to Moses as author by both Jewish and Christian tradition. Although significant questions about his authorship were raised along the way, it was not until the eighteenth century that the question was seriously broached. Today, it is commonplace that he did not write the Pentateuch, but as we shall see the formation of these books is still shrouded in mystery.'

The New Jerome Biblical Commentary, p. 4


Grolier's encyclopedia, under the heading 'Divisions of the Old Testament' states:

'The Pentateuch is based on four principal sources. The oldest, J, was perhaps written in Judah, the southern kingdom, about 950 BC. Between 900 and 750, another version from Israel, the northern kingdom, was woven in; this is called EPHRAIM (E). In the 7th century BC, Deuteronomy, or most of it (D), was compiled. About 550 BC, during the exile, the final edition of the Torah added a priestly source (P), some parts of which are very old.'


Encarta's Encyclopedia says:

'Pentateuch (Greek penta, 'five'; teuch, 'book'), collectively, first five books of the Old Testament, that is, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The term was used by the Christian theologian Origen to denote what the Jews of his time called the 'Five-Fifths of Torah (teaching).' Pentateuch is the translation of the Hebrew term for this concept. The Torah is the holiest and most beloved of the sacred writings of the Jews. 'The Five Books of Moses,' as a designation of the Pentateuch, was first used in the Western church by St. Jerome and the Christian theologian Tyrannius Rufinus. The Mosaic authorship of the work is not directly affirmed in the books themselves, but it became tacitly accepted by Christian orthodoxy. The Pentateuch includes various textual strata of writings, notably the Yahwist (J, which refers to God as Jahwe-modern Jehovah-or Yahweh) and the Elohist (E, which refers to God as Elohiym). The Hebrew priest and reformer Ezra, whose work is associated with another textual component of the Pentateuch known as the Priestly stratum (P), gave impetus to observance of the regulations of the Pentateuch.'


Let us have a look at an example of these doublets from Genesis 6:5 to 8:22. The Jehovah(J) text is in regular type, the Priestly(P) is in bold:


Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Genesis 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Genesis 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

Genesis 6:15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

Genesis 6:16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Genesis 6:18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

Genesis 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

Genesis 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

Genesis 6:21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

Genesis 6:22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.


Genesis 7:

Genesis 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Genesis 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Genesis 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Genesis 7:5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.

Genesis 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.

Genesis 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

Genesis 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,

Genesis 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

Genesis 7:10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Genesis 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Genesis 7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

Genesis 7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

Genesis 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

Genesis 7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

Genesis 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

Genesis 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Genesis 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Genesis 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

Genesis 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Genesis 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.


Genesis 8:

Genesis 8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;

Genesis 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;

Genesis 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Genesis 8:5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.

Genesis 8:6 And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:

Genesis 8:7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.

Genesis 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;

Genesis 8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

Genesis 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;

Genesis 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

Genesis 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.

Genesis 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.

Genesis 8:14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

Genesis 8:15 And God spake unto Noah, saying,

Genesis 8:16 Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee.

Genesis 8:17 Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

Genesis 8:18 And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him:

Genesis 8:19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.

Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Genesis 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savor; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease


Richard Elliot Friedman is a professor in the University of California, San Diego. He earned his Doctorate in Hebrew Bible at Harvard University. He is one of many scholars who have attempted to critically study these 'source' documents of the 'five books of Moses' in order to arrive at the identity of the authors, the time period when each was written, the motives for writing each narrative, and other information. In his book 'Who Wrote the Bible,' Prof. Friedman presents strong evidence that each 'source document' was written by a person or persons who, while on the face of it seem to narrate the same stories, in actuality had distinctly different goals they wished to achieve.


According to Mr. Friedman's research, each source emphasizes a certain branch of the Jews, their nobility, birth right, and closeness to God. Sometimes at the price of other branches of the Jews. For instance, J was written by descendants of Judah, E came from descendants of Israel, and P was written by a priest from the descendants of Aaron. According to Mr. Friedman, the P (Priestly) source seems to be particularly interested in priests, their lineage, their being the only ones who are allowed to sacrifice to God, the importance of sacrifice to God, and the surprising absence of all stories wherein anyone not of their lineage made a sacrifice that was accepted by God (for instance the sacrifice of the sons of Adam is missing from this narrative). It also contains stories of how all those who attempted to make sacrifices to God without the agency of an Aaronid priest were killed by God.


The author goes on to show how in J and E we can find similar emphasis on one tribe of the Jews over the other. For instance, on pages 64-65 he shows how both the J and E documents attempt to give the birthright of Jacob to their own forefathers. He also shows how in the E version, Joseph is saved by his brother Ruben (the firstborn of Israel), while in the J version it is Judah who saves him. The author presents countless other proofs of these claims.


The JE texts magnify prophet Moses. They depict Aaron as having fashioned the golden calf. They also describe Aaron and his sister Meriam as having criticized Moses and having been chastised by God himself for this. They regularly have God saying 'and Yahweh said unto Moses.....' On the other hand, the P document (written by Aaronid priests), usually states: 'and Yahweh said unto Moses and unto Aaron......' In this document, the staff Moses used to perform his miracles is called 'Aaron's staff.' In the P document Aaron is also named as the firstborn brother of Moses. Also, as mentioned previously, in the P text no mention is made of any sacrifices to God whatsoever until the last chapter of Exodus wherein we find the story of Aaron's sacrifice when he was consecrated as high priest. After that, all sacrifices are performed by Aaron and his sons. In other words, the author of P gives no precedence for sacrifice for anyone other than an Aaronid priest. There are even a couple of places in this document which denigrate Moses (pbuh). They depicts Moses (pbuh) as sinning and Aaron suffering for Moses' sin.


Well, what about the rest of the Old Testament? Are the remaining books of the Old Testament known to have been preserved from change since the time of their first writing and truly to be the words of the claimed authors? No! Once again, Groliers encyclopedia tells us:


'.....Joshua tells of a thorough conquest of Canaan, but Judges contains traditions of the Hebrew tribes in the period before the monarchy that reveal the conquest as partial. The books of Samuel are about the founding of the monarchy under Saul and David and contain a magnificent early source for the life of David, probably written about 961-22 BC. All the above books have been extensively edited by writers who shared the theology of the D source.' (emphasis added).


Yale Professor Harold Bloom is the author of the book 'Book Of J' His book goes to prove that the author of Pentateuch was not prophet Moses (pbuh), rather, he believes that the Pentateuch, especially the oldest stories of Bible such as stories of Adam and Eve, Noah, Joseph and even Moses were the works of a woman, probably a descendant of King David in 10th century BC. Harold Bloom says that the 'second-rate plagiarists' later formed scriptures out of her scripts.


Prof. Richard Friedman has also suggested that a woman contributed the OT which was later formally shaped as part of The Holy Bible. Though other scholars believe it was the work of a group of scholars and Jewish traditions. US NEWS & WORLD REPORT, Dec 10, 1990.


The famous 19th century French scholar, Alfred Loisy says


'To explain the divinity of the sources, the Papal Commission of Biblical Studies declared, in a memorable decree, that moses had secretaries. The secretaries of Moses! A brilliant discovery, to be sure!'


Indeed, we can even find Jesus (pbuh) himself bearing witness in the Bible against the Jews that they had changed the commands and doctrines of God and substituted them with their own doctrines. He says:


'Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees (learned Jews), which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. [Ye] hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.'

Matthew 15:1-9


He also says: 'Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments. And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? ... [Ye] fools and blind ... Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. [Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?'

Matthew 23:1-33


There is much more which could be said about these matters, however, we will leave it up to the interested student to consult Prof. Friedman's book and make up their own minds. Fourteen hundred years ago, back when it was a blasphemy of the highest order punishable by death and worse to dare allege that the books of the Bible were not 100% the inspired words of God, the Qur'an was sent down upon Muhammad (pbuh) by God Almighty with the claim that 'the people of the Book' had changed the book of God. Muhammad (pbuh) further affirmed that he was sent with the true religion of God which was sent down upon Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them all). The Christians responded that Muslims were ignorant savages who had concocted their own religion by copying Christianity (just as the Jews before them had claimed that the Christians had plagiarized Judaism). I invite the reader to judge for themselves where the truth lies.


Is all of this restricted to the Old Testament? No! Christian scholars today call the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, the 'Synoptic' (One eyed) Gospels. This is because they all seem to have had access to a common source document they were working from when they wrote their Gospels. This source document is called 'Q'. Now they are beginning to recognize that the alleged authors are not the true authors (see sections 2.1, and 2.2). Similarly, countless verses of the Gospel of John, as well as other historical discrepancies, also go to show that John did not write the Gospel of John.


'Of the Jews are those who change words from their places and say: 'We hear (your words O Muhammad) and disobey; hear you as one who hears not' and 'give us concession' with a twist of their tongues and as a mockery of religion(Islam). But if only they had said: 'We hear and we obey' and 'Do make us understand' it would have been better for them and more upright. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except a few.'

The noble Qur'an, Al-Nissa(4):46.


'Do you covet that they will believe in you when [in fact] a party of them used to hear the Word of Allah (the Torah) then they would distort it knowingly after they had understood it?'

The noble Qur'an, Al-Bakarah(2):75


'Then woe to those who write the book (of God) with their own hands and then say: 'This is from Allah', to traffic with it for a miserable price. Woe to them for what their hands do write and for the gain they make thereby'

The noble Qur'an Al-Bakarah(2):79

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6.7: Moses foretells of Muhammad's coming
'I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.'

Deuteronomy 18:18


There are many verses in the Old Testament that predict the coming of Jesus (pbuh). This one, however, is not one of them. This can be clearly seen from the following four points:


a) Like unto moses

Muslims believe in all of the previous prophets. They make no distinction between them, nor do they place one above the others in piety. However, they are all human, and as humans they differ from one another in their characteristics. Let us compare these characteristics:

1) Both Christians and Muslims agree that both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) had fathers and mothers. They both also believe that Jesus (pbuh) had only a mother and no father. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

2) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) married and begat children. Jesus (pbuh) never married nor had any offspring. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

3) Moses (pbuh) was accepted by the Jews and to this day, as a nation, they accept him as their prophet. Muhammad (pbuh) was accepted by his people, and as a nation, over one billion Muslims around the world accept him as the prophet of Allah. Jesus (pbuh), however, was rejected by his people (the Jews) as stated in the Christian's own Bible: 'He (Jesus) came unto his own, but his own received him not' (John 1:11) Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

4) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) were kings on Earth in the sense that they had the ultimate power of government, the power to inflict capital punishment. When the Jews brought before Moses (pbuh) the Israelite who had been caught collecting firewood on the Sabbath, Moses had him stoned to death (Numbers 15:36). Muhammad (pbuh) had similar authority. When a woman came before him confessing (with no witnesses) to having committed adultery, he gave her a chance to consider the severity of her claim and the punishment she would receive. When she insisted, he ordered her stoned to death and ordered his companions to respect her for her sincere repentance. Jesus (pbuh), however, explicitly refuted the claim that he had a kingdom on earth. When he was dragged before the Roman Governor Pontious Pilate with a charge of sedition he said: (John 18:36) 'Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.' Jesus (pbuh) would not resort to lying to save his skin. Thus, he had no earthly kingdom. Further, in John 8:1-7 we read the story of the woman who was taken in adultery by the Jews and brought before Jesus (pbuh). They were hoping to trap him by either having him contradict the laws of Moses (pbuh) by not stoning her, or by placing him in a bad position with the Roman empire by taking the law into his own hands and ordering her stoned. Jesus cleverly extracted himself from this predicament by commanding them: 'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.' So the woman was set free. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

5) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) came with a new and comprehensive set of laws for their people. The law brought by prophet Moses was named the Judaic Law, and the law brought by prophet Muhammad was named the Shari'ah. Jesus (pbuh) however, as witnessed by Matthew, claimed to have not introduced any new laws, but to have come to renew the law of Moses (pbuh) and to have neither added nor subtracted from it. In Matthew 5:17-18 we read: 'Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.' Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

6) Moses lead his people in a secret mass exodus from their hometown to Median in an attempt to flee the persecution of their enemies. Muhammad (pbut) too emigrated with his followers from their home town to Madinah in secret in order to flee the torture of their enemies. Jesus, however, never led his followers in a any sort of mass exodus from their hometowns . Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

7) Moses was victorious over his enemies both morally as well as physically. Pharaoh was defeated by Moses and all of his army were drowned in the sea. Muhammad (pbuh) too met his enemies in battle and defeated them all. This too was a moral as well as a physical victory. Jesus (pbuh) on the other hand is claimed in the Bible to have been crucified by his enemies. Thus, his victory was only a moral one. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

8) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh), is claimed by the Christians to have died violently on the cross. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

9) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) lie buried in the ground. Jesus (pbuh), however, is claimed by the Christians to abide in heaven. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

10) Most Christians claim that Jesus (pbuh) is God. No Christian or Muslim, however, claims that Moses or Muhammad (pbut) was God. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

11) Both Moses and Muhammad (pbuh) began their prophetic missions at the age of forty. The Bible tells us that Jesus (pbuh) began at thirty. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

12) Christians claim that Jesus (pbuh) was resurrected after his death. Neither Muslims nor Christians claim that Moses or Muhammad was resurrected. Therefore, Muhammad is like Moses, but Jesus is unlike Moses.

There are many additional points that could be mentioned but we will suffice with these for now.


b) Cannot be a Jew

Well, is Muhammad (pbuh) the only prophet who is 'Like unto Moses'? For example, what about Jesus (pbuh)? Well, we should then notice that Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew,


'Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou (Jesus), being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria?'

John 4:9

and the Bible specifically denies that this awaited prophet will be a Jew. We are told that in Deuteronomy:


'And there arose NOT a prophet since in Israel LIKE unto Moses.'

Deuteronomy 34:10


This awaited prophet, however, must be 'LIKE unto thee (Moses).' So he will come from OUTSIDE of Israel.


c) Is from the BRETHREN of the Jews

If this prophet can not be a Jew, then what is left? In this verse, God speaks to Moses (pbuh) about the Jews as a racial entity. The awaited prophet is claimed to not be 'from the Jews' or 'from among themselves' but rather 'from among their (the Jew's) brethren.' Who are the brethren of the Jewish nation? The Jews are the sons Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham. Isaac's older brother was Ishmael, the father of the Arabs. Thus, the brethren of the Jewish nation is the nation of the Arabs. This statement is further reinforced by the following definition of 'Brethren' in the Hebrew Dictionary of the Bible:


'personification of a group of tribes who were regarded as near kinsmen of the Israelites.'

Muhammad in the Bible, Jamal Badawi, p. 16


Please compare this expression with that of the Qur'an:


'Indeed Allah has conferred a great favor upon the believers (Muslims) when He sent among them a messenger from among themselves, reciting unto them His verses, purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom; although before that they were in manifest error.'

The noble Qur'an, Aal-Umran(3):164


There has come unto you (O Muslims) a messenger from among yourselves (Muhammad, pbuh). It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty, full of concern for you, for the believers [he is] full of pity, kind and merciful.

The noble Qur'an, Al-Tawba(9):128



d) Put my words in his mouth

If we were to read the Qur'an we would find that it contains many verses stating 'I am your Lord, so worship Me' (Al-Anbia: 92, Al-Muminoon: 52), 'Verily, I am Allah' (Taha: 14, Al-Namil: 9, Al-Qasas: 30), 'I am thy Lord' (Taha: 19). These verses are not preceded by 'I heard God say.....,' or 'And God said....,' or similar statements which would be the words of a man transmitting the words of God, rather, their form is that of the first person who speaks of himself. Neither Muhammad (pbuh) nor any Muslim ever claimed that Muhammad (pbuh) was God, therefore, Muhammad (pbuh) was speaking with his mouth the words of God. Similarly, we can find in the Qur'an more than four hundred verses of the form 'Say (O Muhammad) : ........' In other words God Almighty is putting His words into Muhammad's (pbuh) mouth and commanding him to speak them.


We also find in the Qur'an verses which command Muhammad (pbuh) to perform a certain action, such as the opening verses of Al-Muzzamil(73), or which even go so far as to reproach Muhammad (pbuh), such as the chapter of Al-Tahreem(66) or the chapter of Abasa(80).


Christians claim that the Bible has many 'authors,' and that while the 'inspiration' is from God, still, the words are those of mortal men.


Dr. W Graham Scroggie of the Moody Bible institute, Chicago, says on page 17 of his book 'It is human, yet divine':


'...Yes, the Bible is human, although some out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this. Those books have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men and bear in their style the characteristics of men....'


Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says on page 277 of his book, 'The call of the minaret':


'.....Not so the New testament....... There is condensation and editing; there is choice reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the church behind the authors. They represent experience and history.....'


(Both quotes have been obtained from the books of Ahmed Deedat)


The Qur'an, however, is the book of God in both word and meaning. An example of this is a teacher who sends two students to teach what they have learned from him. The first is told to 'teach them what I taught you.' While the second is given a textbook written by this teacher and told to read verbatim from this book and say nothing of his own accord. The first will convey the thoughts of the teacher. The second will convey both his thoughts and his words.


Sir William Muir says:

'There is probably in the world no other book which has remained twelve centuries (at the time of this quote) with so pure a text'

Life of Muhammad from original sources, Sir William Muir, Edinburough, J. Grant, p. xxii-xxiii


This matter becomes clearer when studying for example the personal greetings and salutations of Paul and his friends at the ends of Titus (3:15), 2 Timothy (4:19), 1 Thessalonians (5:26) ..... etc. These words are not the word of God but the personal greetings of Paul and his friends. There are many such examples to be found in the Bible. The Qur'an contains no such verses from Muhammad (pbuh). The words of Muhammad (pbuh) are collected in a completely separate reference from the Qur'an called 'The Sunnah' (or the 'Hadeeth'). We notice from all this that even the Church itself does not claim that the Bible is the actual word of God, but His 'inspiration' (his teachings) through the words of men. The Qur'an, however, is the actual word of God.


'And (remember) when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka'aba in Makkah), [praying]: Our Lord! Accept from us [this service]. Verily! You, [only You,] are the Hearer, the Knower. Our Lord! And make us submissive unto You and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our ways of worship, and relent toward us. Verily! You, [only You,] are the Relenting, the Merciful. Our Lord! And send among them a messenger from among them who shall recite unto them Your verses, and shall instruct them in the Book and in wisdom and shall purify them. Verily! You, [only You,] are the Mighty, the Wise. And who desires other than the path of Abraham except he who befools himself? Truly, We chose him in this world, and Verily! In the Hereafter he shall be among the righteous. When his Lord said unto him: Surrender! (literally: 'Be a Muslim!') he said: I have surrendered (Literally: 'I have become a Muslim') to the Lord of creation.'

The noble Qur'an, Al-Baqarah(2):127-131



e) Grave Warnings for all who do not follow him:

So what shall we say to those who say: 'Jesus has redeemed us. We have no need to follow any future prophets.'? After the above verse of Deuteronomy, God himself threatens severe retribution against all those who do not follow this awaited prophet. In Deuteronomy we read:


'And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.' (in some translations: 'I will be the Revenger')

Deuteronomy 18:19



Well, do Muslims read the word of God (The Qur'an) in His name? The answer is: Yes. Muhammad (pbuh) never in his lifetime claimed that the Qur'an was his words, but the words of God it is only the West which claims that it is his words. Further, when a Muslim reads a verse or chapter of the Qur'an, you will find that they have been taught to always start their recitation with the words: 'In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.' The Qur'an contains 114 Chapters. If we were to follow them on down we would find that the first chapter, second chapter, third chapter, and so on all begin with the words 'In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.' (there is one exception). So not only Muhammad (pbuh), but all Muslims in general recite the words of God in His name. Indeed, the Qur'an does even confirm this same warning of Deuteronomy:


'And whosoever seeks other than Islam as their religion it will not be accepted from him, and he shall be in the hereafter among those who have lost'

The noble Qur'an, A'al Umran(3):85


reply by
TheAZCowBoy
7/21/2002 (18:06)
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Personally, I think ADAM is a Hari Krishna!

I mean, look at all the holloring and clamoring this dude does.

Never have seen him speak in a civilized low toned and acceptable adult voice level.

I bet the Egyptian at LAX a couple of weeks ago was looking for ADAM and wanted to tone him down a bit with two automatics and a knife!*

TAC,

* Or he had given ADAM a $20.00 and he hadn't come back with his $19.75 change! :)))
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ADAM
7/21/2002 (20:02)
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TO MUSLEM, THIS IS WHERE YOU MUSLEMS, & OF COURSE YOUR SO CALLED MUHAMMAD THE PROPHET ARE DEAD WRONG ABOUT CHRISTIAN FAITH & THEIR WORSHIPING OF THE SON OF GOD. THIS IS WHAT YOUR MUHAMMAD SAID: DO NOT OVER-PRAISE ME AS CHRISTIANS 'OVER-PRAISED' JESUS!!
HOW CAN ANYONE OVER-PRAISE GOD IN FLESH?
YOU SEE, THIS IS WHERE THE HEAVY LINE IS DRAWN BETWEEN US CHRISTIANS & YOU MUSLEMS.
YOU ARE DARN RIGHT ABOUT OVER-PRAISING MUHAMMAD, WHO WAS NOT WORTHY OF ANY PRAISE. ONLY JESUS CHRIST IS TO BE WORSHIPED & PRAISED THE HIGHEST. HE IS THE ONLE ONE WORTHY OF PRAISE! MAKE NO MISTAKE MY MUSLEM FRIENDS. DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY THE DEVIL, WHO IS HERE TO DESTROY & KILL.
reply by
muslim
7/21/2002 (20:08)
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tell the truth now adam .. how many word did you ACTUALLY read?
reply by
Lynette
7/21/2002 (20:12)
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In my personal view ALL of the holy books have been written and drafted by MEN. I include my own religion (Christianity) in that equation.

The question on EVERYBODY'S lips should be: Can we believe what they wrote is the absolute Godspoken truth?? The beginnings of the Bible weren't written until 50 years after the death of Jesus and their have been many alterations with 'The Word' ever since. I suspect the 'truth' lies somewhere amongst all three religions(Judaism,Christianity and Islam)and I myself have no trouble in respecting the whole three as parts of a facinating journey of knowledge in understanding God's message to humanity. We are all people of the BOOK. Moses,Abraham,Jesus,Mohammad. I cannot see WHY we are at each others throat over this issue....


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muslim
7/21/2002 (20:15)
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I just do not see how any one living 1400 years ago could have written the KORAN!!!
way to many scientific and statistical facts to dispute that !!! I just do not see it. The koran was the last version of god's law on earth and god made a promise to keep it intact and unchanged till doom's day! not untill the invention of computers that some secrets in koran have been evealed!! scientifically speaking .. the knowledge were not there!!
reply by
resources
7/21/2002 (20:24)
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quick examples..
medically
http://www.islamicmedicine.org/amazing.htm
http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/Miracle.html
scientifically
http://dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Islam/Quran/
reply by
ADAM
7/21/2002 (20:41)
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TO LYNETTE, I WILL TRULY TELL YOU THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER YOUSELF A RELIGIOUS PERSON, BUT SURLY, YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN BY FAITH.
YOU SEE A TRUE CHRISTIAN WILL BE ON FIRE FOR JESUS. THE NAME OF JESUS WILL BRING A UNSPEAKABLE JOY TO A CHRISTIAN HEART. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT A RELIGION, WHICH THE REST ARE. I AM TALKING ABOUT A RELASHIONSHIP W/ THE GOD OF ABRAHAM & JACOB! YOU SEE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT JOY IN YOUR HEART, THEN YOU DO NOT KNOW JESUS AS YOU SHOULD, & THEREFROE YOU HAVE CREATED A GREAT DISTANCE BETWEEN GOD & YOUSELF!
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ADAM
7/21/2002 (20:49)
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MUSLEM,
KORAN WAS WRITTEN EITHER BY A ASSYRIAN PRIST, OR AN ARMENIAN. WE ARE NOT VERY CLEAR ON THAT, BUT I MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND YOU MORE INFO.
P.S. NOT EVERY PRIST IS A CHRIST FOLLOWER!
reply by
truth
7/21/2002 (21:08)
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qoran ( the arabic language miracle) was writen by a non arab speaking person ????
HUH?
reply by
Lynette
7/21/2002 (21:21)
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Adam-Some of the most wonderful human beings on this planet don't have a religious bone in their bodies, and as far as I am concerned they will see the Pearly Gates before you do.


Quote in the Bible: 'The most penenant man will not necessarily see the kingdom of God.'

'I tell you that the doorway to heaven is tinier than the eye of a neddle.'


If a person can be the most devout,committed, saintly man on earth Adam.......and STILL not see God, how can you sit there and judge another person's faith and be so damned sure of your own salavation???. You are TRUELY amazing Adam!!!!
reply by
DJFLux
7/22/2002 (2:31)
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ADAM, just admit it, you're jewish, that theory is a typical theory made by some bigshot rabbi.

More garbage for the masses.

you've started a pointless topic to which you are not even prepared for...so just stick to the mid east views, and you won't get burnt by your own words.
reply by
muslim
7/22/2002 (3:19)
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you mean he is a talmudian.!
reply by
ADAM
7/22/2002 (3:57)
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YOU PEOPLE REALLY DO AMAZE ME.
LYNETTE, I AM NOT A RELIGIOUS PERSON AT ALL.
I DON'T FOLLOW ANY RITUALS, I ONLY TRY TO FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! THERE IS NO WHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IT SAYS THAT IF YOU ARE A WONDERFUL BEING THEREFOR YOU WILL ENTER HEAVEN, NONE!
JESUS SAID: IT IS EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO ENTER THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE, THAN A NONE CHRISTIAN TO ENTER HEAVEN.(CORRECTION).
JESUS ALSO SAID: 'I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH & THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUY BY ME'
I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL TAKE HIS WORDS RATHER SERIOUSLY!
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muslim
7/22/2002 (9:52)
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'I AM NOT A RELIGIOUS PERSON AT ALL. '
I rest my case!