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Topic: The Evil Among Us

topic by Ron 2/10/2002 (12:52)

reply top A Grave Threat To Our Nation -From www.propogandaformypoliticalviewpoints.org There is a grave threat facing us all that could eventually lead to our destruction. The more liberal among us would have us believe that we should wait until people comit atrocities before doing something about it, but I think that's suicide and morally offensive. A religious group, one of the larger ones in America, have considerable power and sway over our political system. Their religious text contains instructions to conduct Human Sacrifice, their God has a history of instructing their followers to sacrifice other people to him, and they are often heard stating that their religious text is the 'infallible literal word of God'. Now, GW Bush is doing an excellent job in his war against evil, but so far, he has not done anything about this potential domestic threat. In fact, he even panders to this group. That's right, the group are Fundamentalists Christians, and the religious text to which I refer is the Bible. Yes, throughout the Old Testament it is clear that Yahweh had his followers slaughter others for him. Take this fact, in light of these same christians arguing that it is okay to wage war because Yahweh, in the Old Testament, instructed people to wage war, and you can see the threat this reality poses. Today they are looking at their Old Testament to justify war, tomorrow to justify Human Sacrifice. You couple this with extremist fundamentalists who say that the Bible is the Literal Infallible Word of God, and you can see the potential for atrocities comitted right here at home. Is it moral to ask people to wait for such sickos to act on their infallible literal word of God? Or would it not, rather, be moral to just begin to wipe these people out, right now, before they get a chance to sacrifice even one American Citizen? I say, it is just plain suicide to wait, therefore, this is a call to arms. We should act, and act swiftly, and we should ignore those filthy liberals among us who would have us believe it is somehow unjust to take this highly moral path. How can they ask us to wait for these psychopaths to sacrifice us to their god? Don't listen to them, I mean A) They're liberals. B) They want us to be 'tolerant' of diverse viewpoints(like that ever got America anywhere) and C) The potential for atrocities is so great, we would be immoral not to wipe out fundamentalists immediately. So please, I urge you, write your representatives, and speak out whenever you can. We must confront this Human Sacrifice threat immediately and swiftly, and we must not let ourselves be disuaded by emotional and sentimental liberal concepts of Human Rights. To do so is to ask ourselves and our children to comit suicide. Today, they say 'WWJD' or What Would Jesus Do(although they don't seem to ask this with regards to war), tomorrow this will be 'WWGK' or Who Would God Kill. Don't let it get that far. Ron

reply by Ron 2/10/2002 (13:26)

reply top I forgot to add that I believe everything in that story because some guy I think is a good guy said so. No other real reason, just that, so you can rest easy knowing that this is a real threat.

reply by John Calvin 2/10/2002 (14:28)

reply top And just think, we may have never known anything about it-total blackout in the main media- without the internet! And the author is so candid about how wonderful things will be when the threat is eliminated and his program is in place!

reply by BArb 2/10/2002 (24:54)

reply top If I had to choose between being 'taken over' by fundamentalist Christians or fundamentalist Muslims, I'd definitely take the former, thank you very much.

reply by liz beech 2/11/2002 (9:11)

reply top Surely we are not going to do a 'lesser of two evils' discussion, Barb? There is no difference in being 'taken over' by 'Fundementalist Christians' or 'Fundamentalist Muslims' - a fanatic is a fanatic and I, for one, don't want either, or any other 'Fundamentalist' anything.

reply by Barb 2/11/2002 (10:53)

reply top Yes, agree Liz. I wholeheartedly believe in separation of church and state.

reply by John Calvin 2/11/2002 (16:14)

reply top Fundamentalism: Conviction of the eternal truth of the Gospel message and a revivalistic expectation of the second coming of Christ. Evangelicalism: Spreading the 'good news' of the Divine Gospel of Jesus Christ, the univeral availability of forgiveness of sins through divine grace. Pentecostalism: belief in a post-conversion experience called babtism in the Holy Spirit and spiritual healing of bodily ills. Holiness: belief in the possibility of living a sinless, perfect, holy christian life- also called perfectionism. All these movements- as we know them today- arose in 19th century America, their first widely publicized manifestations occurred at a huge camp meeting revival at Cane Ridge, Kentucky on August 6, 1801. O.K., having thrown aside the serious dissertations of some of the greatest scholars of the American tradition that this nation this nation has ever produced- men like William James and Martin Marty- and given oneself over in one piece to the left-right polemic of contemporary political opportunism 'for the masses', imagine what these folks are apt to do with the 'promises, warnings and prescriptions of the Holy Qur'an'? Of what possible use is anti-religious bigotry' in a project to establish and 'Dialogue of Civilizations', world peace and concord? Let me answer that: absolutely NONE! Quess who the real 'anti-americans' on this site are.

reply by Ron 2/11/2002 (18:15)

reply top Barb, I believe you completely missed the points of my post. I will therefore spell them out for you: 1) First and foremost, the 'reason'(if you can call it that) that 'christians' back and condone war is for some foggy notion that it is okay based upon what occured in the Old Testament. By such 'reasoning'(I feel guilty, for this is a severe abuse of this word in this context) one can reach the conclusion that Human Sacrifice, polygamy, genocide campaigns, and alot of other nasty things that Christ would NEVER condone can be condoned by these same 'christians' who 'reason' that way. 2) Second, and pretty important, I wanted to demonstrate that not only can I identify spin, but I so thouroughly understand it that I can wield it in an effective manner. This I did, that I might gain some credibility in yours, and others eyes, that I might be able to share with you the Truth that my Lord would have me share. It is very easy to spin things when you take things out of context. I mean, I believe I did a fairly good job spinning those facts about the Fundamentalist dogmas to raise the spectre of possible human sacrifice on their part. At least, it seems by your post here that you actually felt I was arguing that Christians would do that, so I use that fact alone to conclude that I achieved my goal. That was not what I was arguing. I wrote that using the same deceptive spin that that article you posted from conservativetruth.org(com?) used. 3) Finally, I also wanted to demonstrate how easy it is to villanize entire groups of people unfairly by using facts out of context. This is similar to #2 above, but it is a slightly different point to make. This is the same type of crap that our government, other governments, that right-wingers, that left-wingers, that people in between, and that any other group with agendas to advance use to get people to see each other as evil. We are Humanity. We are the Children of God. Our Father loves us All, and judges us All based upon our actions and the intents of our heart. It is wrong for us to listen to mere men and allow their deceptive mouthes to sway us to choose the path of Cain, and murder our brothers and sisters. This last I can not make you believe or accept, but it is the Truth. I do not know your spiritual leanings or your political leanings, but I do know that you are my sister and that my Father loves you as much as he loves me. I know this because the same spirit that gives life to me, gives life to you. I recognize the ignorance that we all grow up out of. I recognize the pain we all share in, the joys, the love, the hate, the fear, the courage, the strength, the weakness, the triumphs, the defeats, in short, I recognize myself in you and you in me. We live and share in the same life, His Life, only the details differ.(this is what it means when it is said that Christ is All in All) Muslims are no different than us. Granted, many of the Muslims our Media focuses on 'do bad things', but I have done some pretty horrible things myself. I know from my own experience that the horrible things I did, I did because others did such things to me first. It does not make it right, but it is the real reason. Can you hate a dog who has not been poddy trained if he pees on your carpet? You can, but what point is there to it? Isn't it better to love the dog as your friend, and poddy train him, that you will gain a friend in him, and a poddy trained friend at that? Even though you do not see things the way I do, I recognize the convictions you have for I have convictions too. Even though they may not be the same, it is the same humanity we share in that gives rise to those convictions. This is true of our Muslim brothers and sisters as well. If you ever agree with me on one thing, I would have it be this one, because this Truth is the only foundation the world can ever hope to build a lasting peace upon. Demonizing and villifying them, each other, and anyone else we don't agree with creates adversity, leads to division, and ultimately, to war. The works of the Adversary(devil) manifesting themselves indeed in mankind.