This interview was conducted a few days before the court looking into the Dujail case reached its verdict passing the death sentence on former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
Ramsey Clark was unceremoniously evicted from the court, prior to the pronouncement of the verdict.
A friend and New York activist recently told me an "apocryphal story" about Ramsey Clark: that he was born of the elite, schooled in high principles of justice, ethics and art, but that during that critical time, perhaps in adolescence, when the sons and daughters of the ruling class are spirited away to some secret camp and told, "this is what the world actually is. Here is how you will rule, and why you must rule, and who your enemies are," Clark had the measles and never received the message. He went out into the world with an armoury of ideals, and no cynicism.